TIL the shotgun is the weakest item in Halo Reach.

[Mute Negotiator]

Legit, one individual needle from the needler that misses its target entirely still deals more damage than the shotgun at point blank range. I guess Bungie forgot to add damage to that gun or something, because it deals absolutely no damage in the game at any range. I think they meant for it to be a cosmetic, in lieu of an actual weapon.

[Falleax]

Every gun that isn't a precision weapon in Halo is weak, it sucks.
But if you want to see a truly garbage shotgun, go play Doom 3, the shotgun in that game is a melee weapon that can still miss at point blank range.

[Mute Negotiator]

Originally posted by Falleax:

Every gun that isn't a precision weapon in Halo is weak, it sucks.
But if you want to see a truly garbage shotgun, go play Doom 3, the shotgun in that game is a melee weapon that can still miss at point blank range.

Yeah, I remember that game itself actually being downright boring and dull, because the enemies move slow as hell and because the shotgun doesn't deal damage unless it's almost literally shoved down the throat of any enemy you come across. I couldn't finish it for that exact reason, tbh.

[Mute Negotiator]

Originally posted by Falleax:

Every gun that isn't a precision weapon in Halo is weak, it sucks.
But if you want to see a truly garbage shotgun, go play Doom 3, the shotgun in that game is a melee weapon that can still miss at point blank range.

I kinda have to disagree with you on that though. The assault rifle is decent, the plasma rifle serves its purpose well. The plasma pistol is useful under the right circumstances. The grenade launcher is fine. The only weapon that has effectively 0 purpose to exist in this game at all, is the Shotgun. It isn't useful at melee range and it's significantly worse at any other distance. I honestly think this game would be better if it were removed from the source code entirely.

[Robert F.]

Have you tried using Halo 3 shotgun? Because Reach uses that same stats but slightly more range to Halo 2.

[Mute Negotiator]

Originally posted by Robert F.:

Have you tried using Halo 3 shotgun? Because Reach uses the same stats but slightly higher range to Halo 2.

I haven't noticed a difference in the range, probably because it does nearly nothing at any range, including melee.

Also, I oddly haven't noticed this problem in any game other than Reach. The stats might say this weapon is better than the one in 2, but it definitely wasn't as balanced as the shotgun in Halo 2 was, when compared to the enemy health pools (and that's saying something).

[Kaimerah]

Originally posted by Falleax:

Every gun that isn't a precision weapon in Halo is weak, it sucks.
But if you want to see a truly garbage shotgun, go play Doom 3, the shotgun in that game is a melee weapon that can still miss at point blank range.

this is the weirdest statement ever. precision weapons are strong in Halo yes but, every other gun is strong too if you know how and when to use it. shotty's are super strong usually you just need to be within range, plasma pistol is strong to strip off shields (well most plasma weapons are) but its also good for EMPing vehicles, dual wielded smgs, or an AR at close to mid will kill someone easily. halo is all about how you use your weapons

[Mute Negotiator]

Originally posted by Kaimeruh:

Originally posted by Falleax:

Every gun that isn't a precision weapon in Halo is weak, it sucks.
But if you want to see a truly garbage shotgun, go play Doom 3, the shotgun in that game is a melee weapon that can still miss at point blank range.

this is the weirdest statement ever. precision weapons are strong in Halo yes but, every other gun is strong too if you know how and when to use it. shotty's are super strong usually you just need to be within range, plasma pistol is strong to strip off shields (well most plasma weapons are) but its also good for EMPing vehicles, dual wielded smgs, or an AR at close to mid will kill someone easily. halo is all about how you use your weapons

No, the shotgun deals no damage at any range. A shotgun at melee range is incapable of overpowering a grunt's healthpool. Every other weapon is decent, though.

[Falleax]

Originally posted by Kaimeruh:

Originally posted by Falleax:

Every gun that isn't a precision weapon in Halo is weak, it sucks.
But if you want to see a truly garbage shotgun, go play Doom 3, the shotgun in that game is a melee weapon that can still miss at point blank range.

this is the weirdest statement ever. precision weapons are strong in Halo yes but, every other gun is strong too if you know how and when to use it. shotty's are super strong usually you just need to be within range, plasma pistol is strong to strip off shields (well most plasma weapons are) but its also good for EMPing vehicles, dual wielded smgs, or an AR at close to mid will kill someone easily. halo is all about how you use your weapons

I urge you to go play a few rounds of any Halo game without using a precision weapon at all. Try using a spiker and see how many kills you get and how often you die to a BR or DMR. Then you'll see.

[Jimmy Hunter]

Originally posted by Falleax:

I urge you to go play a few rounds of any Halo game without using a precision weapon at all. Try using a spiker and see how many kills you get and how often you die to a BR or DMR. Then you'll see.

The only thing you'll prove that way is that BR/DMR starts are hot garbage and destroy the sandbox balance.

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

Doom 3's shotgun was legit the worst shotgun I've seen in my life. Spreads further and wider than syphilis from the opening between your mom's legs and is only effective at the same range.

[ModerNertum]

Halo 3 has a worse Shotgun that Halo Reach imo, you literally have to be less than a meter from a target for it to actually do damage, even on campaign. In Reach, however the Shotgun still has some value compared to Halo 3. Halo 2 as well has a garbage Shotgun, worse than the Reach one. As close range weapons you would be better off with the Energy Sword or Gravity Hammer.

[Mute Negotiator]

Originally posted by ModerNertum:

Halo 3 has a worse Shotgun that Halo Reach imo, you literally have to be less than a meter from a target for it to actually do damage, even on campaign. In Reach, however the Shotgun still has some value compared to Halo 3. Halo 2 as well has a garbage Shotgun, worse than the Reach one. As close range weapons you would be better off with the Energy Sword or Gravity Hammer.

It's so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ frustrating, because I can see how it can and was intended to be implemented. Everyone talks about how you're supposed to use the right tool for the right job, and that is true for the most part....until you reach (no pun intended) the shotgun. :(

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by Falleax:

Every gun that isn't a precision weapon in Halo is weak, it sucks.
But if you want to see a truly garbage shotgun, go play Doom 3, the shotgun in that game is a melee weapon that can still miss at point blank range.

Doom 3 shotgun. Yikes.