Do console players have aim assist on MCC?

[Tyrant]

im playing reach for the first time, and im laughing that these people with controllers have better aim than high rank CS:GO players.

are they just that good, or is there aim assist?

[Wolf Of Mars]

if you see a controller icon, they are aim assist babies, yes. PC or console, they get it if they're on a controller.

[robertolivit]

Their aim is that good its just predicting where your opponent is gonna be then blam!

[phaggot phucker]

Turn off aim assist

no skill get the ♥♥♥♥ off the game

[TNTrigger]

They most definetely do, at least with certain weapons (spartan laser... ugh). General consensus seems to be that gamepad/console guys are better at close to medium range, while KBM's dominate long range.

[phaggot phucker]

Yes and there seems to be a complete refusal to remove from match making. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ruined.

[The Commendatore]

Turn on input-based matchmaking.

[Wolf Of Mars]

Originally posted by Le Désir de Vivre:

Turn on input-based matchmaking.

and never find a match again.

[The Commendatore]

Then play those "better" games if you're such a sourpuss about it?

[Wolf DragoX]

Yes.

[Jimmy Hunter]

Originally posted by ᴡ ᴇ ʜ ᴢ ʏ 'ꜰᴛᴘ:

Yup, ive been in queue for 30min (EU) for all games and game modes 4v4 .. not a single match

It's almost like splitting a queue instead of dialing back Aim Assist was a poor solution that anyone could have seen a mile away. Who'd a thunk it would be wasted Dev time and resources?

[Billy]

You should keep note that aim in this game is far more trivial than games like CS;GO, and that a lot of these players with controllers have been playing these games far longer than most.

As a keyboard/mouse user who's played the game since Custom Edition, I'm almost regularly higher than the rest when it comes to scores.

If you want to use keyboard and mouse don't get uppity or upset about Aim Assist, it's not as powerful as you think.

[Haflip]

Yeah joystick input gets two forms of aim assist (+1 more that also applies to mouse), regardless of whether it's on PC or console. This is a PC port of a console port of a bunch of console games so this is not going to be removed. Some of the best players still use controllers because mouse and keyboard is completely different and requires practice to get back to the same tracking skill level whereas using a controller could be almost decades of muscle memory. The potential for mouse plays is way higher, though.

When using a controller, the crosshair has a bit of physicality to it. You can imagine it as a rolling ball. It's slow to start moving, slow to stop, and has an additive acceleration curve. It moves slower when using certain vehicles for balance purposes, too. Pointing your crosshair at a target is like rolling that ball through a sand pit. This is called Aim Friction. If you don't move your joystick, the crosshair comes to a stop, rather than continue rolling passed the target.

In addition, when a target moves while within a certain distance of your crosshair's aim, it creates a sort of wave or wind in its wake that pushes the crosshair in the same direction. People call this aim "magnetism," but it doesn't have any magnetism or gravitation to it, it's more like idk, Aim... drafting? It needs a better name but I don't have one. It can make it easier to track a target because you're already being pulled in their direction, but it still requires manual aim and uh, let's just say it sometimes doesn't play nice with grenades lol

People also sometimes confuse aim "magnetism" with Bullet Magnetism, which makes rounds more likely to hit for everyone.

But then if joystick input is a rolling ball, mouse input is straight-up ball lightning. Instant max speed from zero, and almost nothing in the game can move it around or slow it down except you. You can turn your character around completely in an instant and start placing shots exactly where they need to be. For those who like the physicality of the controller's aim, it's a hard adjustment, but it has some extreme advantages for the best players in the game. The new control scheme is a little hack-ey, and breaks the balance on some things (Banshee, Sprint, Turret, Crouch, etc.), but it does a good job of functioning like mouse players expect of a shooter. Higher skill floor, higher skill ceiling.

tl;dr: Joystick players have years of experience and some assistance, but mouse players who are real good at tracking can easily take them on.

[Define Brackish Water]

Originally posted by BillboDragons:

You should keep note that aim in this game is far more trivial than games like CS;GO, and that a lot of these players with controllers have been playing these games far longer than most.

As a keyboard/mouse user who's played the game since Custom Edition, I'm almost regularly higher than the rest when it comes to scores.

If you want to use keyboard and mouse don't get uppity or upset about Aim Assist, it's not as powerful as you think.

This. Playing using a controller means that you have to lean into your advantages whenever possible because you don't have the amount of precision you have on the mouse. I don't mean aim-assist when I say that. I mean strategy, pre-aiming, weapon control, weapon selection, grenading where they will be, etc. The only advantage controller players have is that they can track players more easily. M&K has the same red-crosshair aim bonus.

I understand how overwhelming it can feel when someone hits you with every hit all the time every time. The counter to that is to not be in a position where you will be hit all the time every time. You have to think a step ahead, oftentimes two-steps ahead.

[Billy]

Originally posted by Define Brackish Water:

Originally posted by BillboDragons:

You should keep note that aim in this game is far more trivial than games like CS;GO, and that a lot of these players with controllers have been playing these games far longer than most.

As a keyboard/mouse user who's played the game since Custom Edition, I'm almost regularly higher than the rest when it comes to scores.

If you want to use keyboard and mouse don't get uppity or upset about Aim Assist, it's not as powerful as you think.

This. Playing using a controller means that you have to lean into your advantages whenever possible because you don't have the amount of precision you have on the mouse. I don't mean aim-assist when I say that. I mean strategy, pre-aiming, weapon control, weapon selection, grenading where they will be, etc. The only advantage controller players have is that they can track players more easily. M&K has the same red-crosshair aim bonus.

I understand how overwhelming it can feel when someone hits you with every hit all the time every time. The counter to that is to not be in a position where you will be hit all the time every time. You have to think a step ahead, oftentimes two-steps ahead.

^^^^

I found that my best strategies are from understanding the field and getting a good gist of who has what weapon, if you're in a position where you're not shooting first that is not aim assist's fault.

[Pyrocitor]

Originally posted by Jimmy Hunter:

Originally posted by ᴡ ᴇ ʜ ᴢ ʏ 'ꜰᴛᴘ:

Yup, ive been in queue for 30min (EU) for all games and game modes 4v4 .. not a single match

It's almost like splitting a queue instead of dialing back Aim Assist was a poor solution that anyone could have seen a mile away. Who'd a thunk it would be wasted Dev time and resources?

Changing the balance and mechanics of the game for all the people who had it before the PC launch is also a poor solution.

I use mouse+keyboard, if I hadn't already said so.