so... why is the covenant still a thing in Halo 4 exactly?

[Nuclear Kangaroo]

and why do they follow the dilact? am i missing something? the prophets are dead the and great journey is a scam, i thought that was common knowledge among the races of the covenant by now, also why are the elites attacking master chief after he helped save their entire stinkin' race?

i dont think this was ever explained in the game

[MK_]

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About the "new" covenant language, it's stated in the very first book of the halo series, "The fall of reach" that the covenant does not speak english (or common as stated in the series) and that only the San'shyuum (prophets race) can understand, articulate and speak it due to their similarities to human larynx system and their origin homeworld along with humans in Charum Hakkor (the prophets broadcast directly towards humanity in their original message using archaic english to declare war), in H4 you cant understand them due to Cortana malfunction due rampancy as she is not able to do live translation as in other games.

wait, what the ♥♥♥♥? then how does anybody understand the arbiter and the other aliens in halo 2 and 3

this is so stupid, they didnt have to point this out, now the story makes less sense

Cortana is onboard chief MJOLNIR or in data trasmission systems in the other games and the rest of the book series in which they have verbal contact with the covenant. One of the original intended purposes of Cortana was to be a countespying - counterhacking tool against human insurrection that was the best of the best in technology for cypehring and decrytption for its moment, she eventually pours in common translations of the covenant languages, prominently Sangheilli speak as it's the standard language of the covenant (notice how you cant never understand hunters and jackals in any game for example, due to their biology they cant speak it) into the fleetcom archives to further translation aid by common AIs

Halo 5 new MJOLNIRs have integrated translating devices onboard the suit AI, summed with actual known translations they can communicate.

[Limygeorge]

It made sense to me, (Cortana), but I didn't know the detail. Interesting, and again good to know and with no spoilers. Thanks.

[Nuclear Kangaroo]

ok so this is a splinter from the covenant, but that makes no sense

1) why are there elites in this splinter? werent they replaced by the brutes?

2) do they know the great journey is false? if not, then why are they allying with a guy who wants to kill all humans, dont they know you need a human to activate the rings for the "great journey"

3) seriously why are they allying with the prometheans, this dingus appears from his ball and the entire covenant splinter stops killing the prometheans for no reason, they didnt receive the order to stop, atleast im going to assume thats the case so why did they stop? did they know he was a forerunner? how? noone had seen a forerunner in literal millenia, if they knew he was a forerunner, how did they not know the prometheans are forerunner artifacts? these guys almost genocided the hunter's race because they ate forerunner tech, and yet here they are indiscriminately destroying it, who did they think built those glowing crab looking robots in this forerunner planet?

jesus christ i should stop thinking about this

[Nuclear Kangaroo]

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wait, what the ♥♥♥♥? then how does anybody understand the arbiter and the other aliens in halo 2 and 3

this is so stupid, they didnt have to point this out, now the story makes less sense

Cortana is onboard chief MJOLNIR or in data trasmission systems in the other games and the rest of the book series in which they have verbal contact with the covenant. One of the original intended purposes of Cortana was to be a countespying - counterhacking tool against human insurrection that was the best of the best in technology for cypehring and decrytption for its moment, she eventually pours in common translations of the covenant languages, prominently Sangheilli speak as it's the standard language of the covenant (notice how you cant never understand hunters and jackals in any game for example, due to their biology they cant speak it) into the fleetcom archives to further translation aid by common AIs

Halo 5 new MJOLNIRs have integrated translating devices onboard the suit AI, summed with actual known translations they can communicate.

then how could sargeant johnson and miranda keyes communicate with the arbiter and tartarus while cortana was aboard high charity?

[MK_]

Publicado originalmente por Nuclear Kangaroo:

ok so this is a splinter from the covenant, but that makes no sense

1) why are there elites in this splinter? werent they replaced by the brutes?

2) do they know the great journey is false? if not, then why are they allying with a guy who wants to kill all humans, dont they know you need a human to activate the rings for the "great journey"

3) seriously why are they allying with the prometheans, this dingus appears from his ball and the entire covenant splinter stops killing the prometheans for no reason, they didnt receive the order to stop, atleast im going to assume thats the case so why did they stop? did they know he was a forerunner? how? noone had seen a forerunner in literal millenia, if they knew he was a forerunner, how did they not know the prometheans are forerunner artifacts? these guys almost genocided the hunter's race because they ate forerunner tech, and yet here they are indiscriminately destroying it, who did they think built those glowing crab looking robots in this forerunner planet?

jesus christ i should stop thinking about this

According to canon in the halo series, Elites are not a part of the covenant willingly originally and the only reason of why they are spared from annihalition is due to religious parallels with the San'Shyuum and their reverence towards the forerunners as godly beings, them being reemplaced by the brutes doesn't render their original religious beliefs invalid (this is why i mentioned that Jul'Mdama covenant is ultra fanatical).

They do "know" that the great journey is false but dont want to believe and avide by the arbiter's rule, thats why they're a splinter covenant cell based after the great Schism.

The beggining of H4 did confuse me a bit too, I was confused in why they were suddenly stop killing themselves, but my best guess for that is that Ur Didact somehow contacted/controlled the faction via force. There is this line in the game were he mentions:

"Even this beast recongnize me as their superior as a Forerunner, human, you should do the same"

So my best guess is that somehow the communicated and they immediatly were subyugated by the didact, not the prometheans.

[MK_]

Publicado originalmente por Nuclear Kangaroo:

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Cortana is onboard chief MJOLNIR or in data trasmission systems in the other games and the rest of the book series in which they have verbal contact with the covenant. One of the original intended purposes of Cortana was to be a countespying - counterhacking tool against human insurrection that was the best of the best in technology for cypehring and decrytption for its moment, she eventually pours in common translations of the covenant languages, prominently Sangheilli speak as it's the standard language of the covenant (notice how you cant never understand hunters and jackals in any game for example, due to their biology they cant speak it) into the fleetcom archives to further translation aid by common AIs

Halo 5 new MJOLNIRs have integrated translating devices onboard the suit AI, summed with actual known translations they can communicate.

then how could sargeant johnson and miranda keyes communicate with the arbiter and tartarus while cortana was aboard high charity?

that might be an oversight from bungie (or maybe to further progress storywise), remember in Delta halo, that Miranda ask for cortana to translate the "Regret, Regret, Regret" chants

*Edit:
The "regret" tranmission is a translation from the New Mombasa section, in delta halo she translate other stuff from one of the holo pods in the levels.

[Limygeorge]

@ Nuclear Kangaroo. I have one question for you, it's got nothing to do with lore/story etc.

Specifically, putting aside your overall opinion, what do you think about the graphics in H4?

[Nuclear Kangaroo]

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then how could sargeant johnson and miranda keyes communicate with the arbiter and tartarus while cortana was aboard high charity?

that might be an oversight from bungie, remember in Delta halo, that Miranda ask for cortana to translate the "Regret, Regret, Regret" chants

fair point

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Publicado originalmente por Nuclear Kangaroo:

ok so this is a splinter from the covenant, but that makes no sense

1) why are there elites in this splinter? werent they replaced by the brutes?

2) do they know the great journey is false? if not, then why are they allying with a guy who wants to kill all humans, dont they know you need a human to activate the rings for the "great journey"

3) seriously why are they allying with the prometheans, this dingus appears from his ball and the entire covenant splinter stops killing the prometheans for no reason, they didnt receive the order to stop, atleast im going to assume thats the case so why did they stop? did they know he was a forerunner? how? noone had seen a forerunner in literal millenia, if they knew he was a forerunner, how did they not know the prometheans are forerunner artifacts? these guys almost genocided the hunter's race because they ate forerunner tech, and yet here they are indiscriminately destroying it, who did they think built those glowing crab looking robots in this forerunner planet?

jesus christ i should stop thinking about this

According to canon in the halo series, Elites are not a part of the covenant willingly originally and the only reason of why they are spared from annihalition is due to religious parallels with the San'Shyuum and their reverence towards the forerunners as godly beings, them being reemplaced by the brutes doesn't render their original religious beliefs invalid (this is why i mentioned that Jul'Mdama covenant is ultra fanatical).

They do "know" that the great journey is false but dont want to believe and avide by the arbiter's rule, thats why they're a splinter covenant cell based after the great Schism.

The beggining of H4 did confuse me a bit too, I was confused in why they were suddenly stop killing themselves, but my best guess for that is that Ur Didact somehow contacted/controlled the faction via force. There is this line in the game were he mentions:

"Even this beast recongnize me as their superior as a Forerunner, huma, you should do the same"

So my best guess is that somehow the communicated and they immediatly were subyugated by the didact, not the prometheans.

thats a lot of information we are not told and we must assume

i still dont understand why the covenant splinter wants to kill humans, the only reason the covenant declares war on humanity is because of the prophets lies, but if this splinter knows the prophets were lying, they have no reason to fight

also why could he subyugate the covenant but not normal humans, i mean not only would it be easier for the didact to turn humans into ash that way, he could even force humans to fight master chief

i REALLY need to stop thinking about this,

[Nuclear Kangaroo]

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@ Nuclear Kangaroo. I have one question for you, it's got nothing to do with lore/story etc.

Specifically, putting aside your overall opinion, what do you think about the graphics in H4?

very pretty, even if i dislike most of the redesigns compared to the original, i recognize the artistry

[Limygeorge]

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@ Nuclear Kangaroo. I have one question for you, it's got nothing to do with lore/story etc.

Specifically, putting aside your overall opinion, what do you think about the graphics in H4?

very pretty, even if i dislike most of the redesigns compared to the original, i recognize the artistry

Cheers for the answer. We agree on that.

[MK_]

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that might be an oversight from bungie, remember in Delta halo, that Miranda ask for cortana to translate the "Regret, Regret, Regret" chants

fair point

Publicado originalmente por MKNavaG - S-III G331:

According to canon in the halo series, Elites are not a part of the covenant willingly originally and the only reason of why they are spared from annihalition is due to religious parallels with the San'Shyuum and their reverence towards the forerunners as godly beings, them being reemplaced by the brutes doesn't render their original religious beliefs invalid (this is why i mentioned that Jul'Mdama covenant is ultra fanatical).

They do "know" that the great journey is false but dont want to believe and avide by the arbiter's rule, thats why they're a splinter covenant cell based after the great Schism.

The beggining of H4 did confuse me a bit too, I was confused in why they were suddenly stop killing themselves, but my best guess for that is that Ur Didact somehow contacted/controlled the faction via force. There is this line in the game were he mentions:

"Even this beast recongnize me as their superior as a Forerunner, huma, you should do the same"

So my best guess is that somehow the communicated and they immediatly were subyugated by the didact, not the prometheans.

thats a lot of information we are not told and we must assume

i still dont understand why the covenant splinter wants to kill humans, the only reason the covenant declares war on humanity is because of the prophets lies, but if this splinter knows the prophets were lying, they have no reason to fight

also why could he subyugate the covenant but not normal humans, i mean not only would it be easier for the didact to turn humans into ash that way, he could even force humans to fight master chief

i REALLY need to stop thinking about this,

Just to further add a couple of things:

The splinter covenant cell doesn't "want to kill humans" per se ;) (read the books for this one, please!) the Sangheilli see the humans as an inferior race, that why they dont like the arbiter allying with them.

About the didact not subyugating humans, he initially didnt knew that the Infinity vessel was human based (that is why he was scanning them while they were in orbit and then retrieving data while the crash landed), there is some sort of "respect" implyied along the terminals in this game but im not really sure about that (the forerunner saga trilogy is a book trio that i haven't read in 7 years now)

And yes, indeed. The approach of the expanded lore for 343 was poor at best to fully get the scope of H4

[fuegerstef]

They needed to be shoehorned into the game ... every Halo fan would scream in pain if there weren't the exact same aliens with the exact same behaviours to be fought in sixth game in a row (which got old by Halo 2, btw ... ).

[Blamite Delight]

Publicado originalmente por Nuclear Kangaroo:

ok so this is a splinter from the covenant, but that makes no sense

1) why are there elites in this splinter? werent they replaced by the brutes?

2) do they know the great journey is false? if not, then why are they allying with a guy who wants to kill all humans, dont they know you need a human to activate the rings for the "great journey"

3) seriously why are they allying with the prometheans, this dingus appears from his ball and the entire covenant splinter stops killing the prometheans for no reason, they didnt receive the order to stop, atleast im going to assume thats the case so why did they stop? did they know he was a forerunner? how? noone had seen a forerunner in literal millenia, if they knew he was a forerunner, how did they not know the prometheans are forerunner artifacts? these guys almost genocided the hunter's race because they ate forerunner tech, and yet here they are indiscriminately destroying it, who did they think built those glowing crab looking robots in this forerunner planet?

jesus christ i should stop thinking about this

good god you're stupid. Because this splinter faction was searching for the Didact, who is a forerunner military commander.

[Blamite Delight]

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that might be an oversight from bungie, remember in Delta halo, that Miranda ask for cortana to translate the "Regret, Regret, Regret" chants

fair point

Publicado originalmente por MKNavaG - S-III G331:

According to canon in the halo series, Elites are not a part of the covenant willingly originally and the only reason of why they are spared from annihalition is due to religious parallels with the San'Shyuum and their reverence towards the forerunners as godly beings, them being reemplaced by the brutes doesn't render their original religious beliefs invalid (this is why i mentioned that Jul'Mdama covenant is ultra fanatical).

They do "know" that the great journey is false but dont want to believe and avide by the arbiter's rule, thats why they're a splinter covenant cell based after the great Schism.

The beggining of H4 did confuse me a bit too, I was confused in why they were suddenly stop killing themselves, but my best guess for that is that Ur Didact somehow contacted/controlled the faction via force. There is this line in the game were he mentions:

"Even this beast recongnize me as their superior as a Forerunner, huma, you should do the same"

So my best guess is that somehow the communicated and they immediatly were subyugated by the didact, not the prometheans.

thats a lot of information we are not told and we must assume

i still dont understand why the covenant splinter wants to kill humans, the only reason the covenant declares war on humanity is because of the prophets lies, but if this splinter knows the prophets were lying, they have no reason to fight

also why could he subyugate the covenant but not normal humans, i mean not only would it be easier for the didact to turn humans into ash that way, he could even force humans to fight master chief

i REALLY need to stop thinking about this,

Because Jul Mdama discovered that the Office Of Naval Intelligence was providing material support to one of the splinter factions on sanghelios in order to prolong the civil conflict and that his wife was killed in said conflict. He wants revenge on humanity because of that (immense hypocrisy on his part)

[Blamite Delight]

Publicado originalmente por Nuclear Kangaroo:

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Cortana is onboard chief MJOLNIR or in data trasmission systems in the other games and the rest of the book series in which they have verbal contact with the covenant. One of the original intended purposes of Cortana was to be a countespying - counterhacking tool against human insurrection that was the best of the best in technology for cypehring and decrytption for its moment, she eventually pours in common translations of the covenant languages, prominently Sangheilli speak as it's the standard language of the covenant (notice how you cant never understand hunters and jackals in any game for example, due to their biology they cant speak it) into the fleetcom archives to further translation aid by common AIs

Halo 5 new MJOLNIRs have integrated translating devices onboard the suit AI, summed with actual known translations they can communicate.

then how could sargeant johnson and miranda keyes communicate with the arbiter and tartarus while cortana was aboard high charity?

because they know english apparently