For all the Halo 4 noobs

[TheRat62]

Can you guys now see why people don't like the Halo 4 campaign compared to previous campaigns in the series?

[GabeKirk24]

Diposting pertama kali oleh JohnnyGamer:

Diposting pertama kali oleh WM1Pyro:

The way I see it, its 343i's first take at Halo, obviously its going to be different. And that is FINE. No one is saying or acting like (as far as I seen so far in this thread) you can't be allowed to dislike it. You can dislike it for any reason just like people can like the game for any reason. If you don't like it, don't play it. If you like it, then play it. Not a hard concept.

As for "fan service dialogue", specifically with that line you mentioned, do you honestly believe Cortana wouldn't say it again? Given her situation looking bleak (haven't finished the game yet) its a reasonable line to have in the game. You found it bad, but she wasn't in a good situation and knew what most likely would happen.

I dont care whether or not she was in a situation where she would say it again or not.

The fact is, its incredibly obvious that 343 added it in for the purpose of fan service which last time I checked is not a good thing.

Within the first 20 minutes of the game you get Cortana saying

"Chief wake up.... I need you" 🤮🤮🤮

And then

"Dont make a girl a promise... if you know you can't keep it" 🤮🤮🤮


343s attempts at fan service are so incredibly blatant and in your face. Like come on.

When chief said "wake me... when you need me."

He didn't literally mean "and when you wake me make sure that you reference that line of dialogue... because its that badass."

5 minutes inti the game and I've already cringed more than I cringed throughout the entire bungie saga.


It highlights the difference in quality between the bungie games and halo 4 perfectly.

The original Halo games always started out with pure charm like cortanas speech at the start of halo 3 or arbiter saying "were it so easy"

The start of halo 2 is completely epic with arbiter being punished by the covenant. The whole opening in orbit around earth with awesome.lines like "tell that to the covenant" and "i need a weapon"

Completely epic openings from the bungie games and then along comes 343 and they just give us lame, and lazy fan service.

They couldn't come up with anything epic of their own so they just decided to rehash bungies' dialogue

So you're saying a sequel shouldn't reference the game before it, if halo 4 wasn't a direct sequel to 3 then yes that could sound odd, but it was, it was a continuation of 3,making that line more impactful than not,if we look at the barebones of the game it followed the same story path halo ce did, and though not being as great, it did an amazing job, its weapons have a more impactful sound, they feel and sound like guns, games don't need to come swinging with an epic opening scene all the time, I'd rather a game reference what came before than just forget it completely, halo 2 did that, halo 3 did aswell, but halo 4 did it and because of the way it was handled, that makes it cringey or awful, it was 343's first major halo game, it's not easy following on the footsteps of those before them and being as great, let's be honest bungie made great games, but so did 343,even with 5,its story is awful, but the new abilities, and its multiplayer were amazing

[MK_]

Oh wow, this kind of post it's what bring the worst of Halo community out.

Im personally loving H4, and I've been playing halo since 2001.
I used to adore H3, but now... well, i dont think is as good as I remembered it.

Halo 2 is still really strong, and H4 is definitely better than the burning trash pile that is Reach, so no. I dont see why people hate this game, and I can assure most of the people that hate it for "muh design" haven't really read the novels with a lot of attention, as H4 is the pinnacle of broken characterization arc for Master Chief and Cortana, even if you think that the delivery is not really that good.

[ŅĚǾ人ŖŨŠ]

Diposting pertama kali oleh adamsrealm:

The design language of this game sucks.

It's built like a movie, not a game...

John says too much... Cortona is now a wimpy ♥♥♥♥♥... Palma is a Mary Sure... The Captain is a complete C&^*... Lasky is only there for the plot to progress...

The existence of Spartan IVs cheapens Johns existence (and leads to locke... *shudders with disapproval*

They changed the forward unto dawn design so that it isn't consistent with cannon, they re-used so many defining moment from previous games as throw away tropes or lines for "cinematic/nostaliga browny points" to the point it gets old fast.

The new pelican design sucks ass, forerunner architectural continuity based on previous cannon is an absolute clusterF&^*

WTF did they do to sentinals? And the ungodly noise they make? Seriously?

Don't even get me started on the tesalated modelled nightmares that are the promeatheans...

It was painful to play this game again, seriously painful.

This. All of this.

[Gimli]

I enjoyed Halo 4's campaign. This is coming from someone whose childhood game was Halo 3 and Reach.

*shrug* different people, different tastes. Its as simple as that.

[bgray9054]

On the topic of Cortana fan service dialogue I see some folks discussing - I'm a big fan of it. I thought they did a nice job, and at the end of the day, we (the fans) are the customer, so I am generally a supporter of fan service...that's kinda what we pay for. I certainly don't want to pay for a game that is the opposite of fan service. Having some new mixed with old is a good thing.

[Exodus]

Diposting pertama kali oleh MKNavaG - S-III G331:

Oh wow, this kind of post it's what bring the worst of Halo community out.

Im personally loving H4, and I've been playing halo since 2001.
I used to adore H3, but now... well, i dont think is as good as I remembered it.

Halo 2 is still really strong, and H4 is definitely better than the burning trash pile that is Reach, so no. I dont see why people hate this game, and I can assure most of the people that hate it for "muh design" haven't really read the novels with a lot of attention, as H4 is the pinnacle of broken characterization arc for Master Chief and Cortana, even if you think that the delivery is not really that good.

We have similar perspectives, i'm loving 4, I hated it when it came out, but it's grown on me. I became more open to the entire premise when I started reading about the lore.

Halo 3 was a great game I just couldn't like place it anywhere as I would once when I played it again. I think h3 aged pretty badly. H2 is solid, gunplay is very fast. My other gripe with 3 is the sudden change in atmosphere, idk I personally didn't find 3's atmosphere to be as compelling as CE and 2's but thats just me.

[Songbird]

I didn't enjoy Halo 4. I mean it was okay at first, but halfway through the third level I just kind of gave up. Everything just kind of felt empty and wrong. A lot of the things that I felt made the other games great either weren't there or didn't show up as often. The new designs for a lot of the enemies and weapons didn't look good, especially the elites and the shotgun. There were a lot of other things, but most of them have already been mentioned by other people on this thread. The only thing I really liked was the soundtrack to be honest. And before the people that most of the fanbase have dubbed "Halo 4 noobs" call me a whiny fanboy or Bungie purist, I'm new to Halo. I haven't played a single Halo game until MCC PC came out in 2019. Sure I basically spoiled most of the story and lore for myself, but until MCC PC came out, I never experienced the Halo series and the things that made it great for myself. I hoped that Halo 4 would be a okay experience, not great, but okay, it didn't end up that way. I'll still be playing Halo 4's multiplayer, but I'm likely not going to be playing Halo 4's campaign and if I do, I likely won't enjoy it as much as the other campaigns.

[Venom415]

Dont know why people think we never had sprint in halo, you were always walking really fast to begin with in halo games which looks like a run/sprint. Spartans are built different lol.
Problem with the new sprint is that it prevents you from shooting now which makes for an inconvenience which shouldn't exist because of the suits.

[menhera hunter]

Terrible audio across the board including the awful soundtrack. Terrible designs across the board too. 343 really doesn't understand how make satisfying weapons or sounds. They weren't kidding when the said they purposely hired people that hate Halo to make a Halo game. Everything in the game just looks, sounds, and feels off. They didn't (and still don't) understand the aesthetic the franchise had or why the original trilogy was so good. Even without comparing it to other Halo games, it's objectively bad.

[Venom415]

UNSC weapons for the most part were good, I enjoyed the new assault rifle but the magnum and shotgun left a lot to be desired. Covenant weapons were from another dimension, they left their iconic sounds for no reason and the plasma pistol I loved was not good at all. Changing the base sounds and designs of things can make for odd transitions, military weapon and vehicle redesigns dont happen under a decade, heck many decade old vehicles are still used in service to this day.

[Kyoki]

I've no idea if this is just a personal gripe but I'm not a fan of how difficulty has been handled in Halo 4.

In the other games it always felt more like the enemy was simply less numerous and weaker but still intelligent on lower difficulties while they got upgrades to armour and health on higher difficulties with maybe a few more troops added into the mix to give you a challenge.

Meanwhile, in Halo 4, it feels more like difficulty is determined by how many Fuel Rods the enemy has or if you're going to be seeing Jackals volley fire you with Beam Rifles as if they're from the Napoleonic War while the AI never seems to get any more intelligent, often times they all just conga line towards you just begging to get domed or dodge into danger, I've had Elites dodge roll off of Cliffs for no reason as well as Banshees barrel rolling into trees or rocks like they're trying to prove that they can't die only to get proven wrong.

[Venom415]

Entity/Knight Stand in open
If: damage 1>
Then: Walk Left/Right

[menhera hunter]

Diposting pertama kali oleh WM1Pyro:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Cacodemon Daycare:

Terrible audio across the board including the awful soundtrack. Terrible designs across the board too. 343 really doesn't understand how make satisfying weapons or sounds. They weren't kidding when the said they purposely hired people that hate Halo to make a Halo game. Everything in the game just looks, sounds, and feels off. They didn't (and still don't) understand the aesthetic the franchise had or why the original trilogy was so good. Even without comparing it to other Halo games, it's objectively bad.

I don't believe it was "Objectively bad" as you would need facts to back that up. Facts that are absolute truth that is.

I don't know what else you would call an FPS with bland level design, enemies that aren't fun to fight, and a cast of weapons that are all boring in their functionally and their design. If you want me to get deep into specifics it's not happening because I'm not going to spend the entire day educating you on all of Halo 4's glaring flaws, and it would take all day.

[tanman500]

I didn't even bother trying Halo 4 campaign. I jumped straight into 8vs8 multiplayer and having a blast!

With almost every other Halo on MCC, I played through the campaign, and then dabbled into multiplayer.

[tanman500]

Halo 4 really needs a firefight mode, like Halo Reach and Halo 3 ODST. Although I've heard there's another co-op mode with Halo 4.