Why do people hate halo 4 and 5

[FAlty75]

i was wondering why people hate 4 and 5 so much

[GamerXT]

When people talk about them changing stuff, Bungie already started to do that themselves, like with Halo 2 they added dual weilding, then with Halo 3, a bunch of power ups and even adding sprint to Halo Reach.

Would be nice if they added some of those things to previous games, especially Halo 1

[Kрис]

4: Good story/campaign, although annoying Promethean enemies. Terrible multiplayer

5: Terrible story/campaign, still with annoying Promethean enemies. Fun multiplayer.

[What The Sigmar?]

引用自 Keira：

because 4 and 5 have garbage story

Above all else, this.

The stories are such ♥♥♥♥ that if infinite wants to associate itself with them whatsoever, it’s a no-buy for me.

[Falleax]

引用自 .Wulphee.：

引用自 Falleax：

They rejected what worked for Halo to implement Call of Duty type gameplay mechanics that just don't work with Halo's core identity. The story is terrible and feels like a fanfiction written by a 14 year old girl. The art went from unique to generic.

Halo 5's story, yes it's quite awful
But don't you dare come out here swinging at my Halo 4 campaign like that.

Nah bro, the whole weirdly romantic plot between Chief and Cortana is just weird and out of character. Humanity bouncing back from the brink of extinction with a new line of Spartans and a super ship after only 4 years is silly and makes no sense. Having a living breathing Forerunner appear and having him be a villain is dumb as Heck.

[protowiccan]

引用自 Falleax：

引用自 .Wulphee.：

Halo 5's story, yes it's quite awful
But don't you dare come out here swinging at my Halo 4 campaign like that.

Nah bro, the whole weirdly romantic plot between Chief and Cortana is just weird and out of character. Humanity bouncing back from the brink of extinction with a new line of Spartans and a super ship after only 4 years is silly and makes no sense. Having a living breathing Forerunner appear and having him be a villain is dumb as Heck.

You act like none of that was set up in the books.

[Falleax]

引用自 .Wulphee.：

引用自 Falleax：

Nah bro, the whole weirdly romantic plot between Chief and Cortana is just weird and out of character. Humanity bouncing back from the brink of extinction with a new line of Spartans and a super ship after only 4 years is silly and makes no sense. Having a living breathing Forerunner appear and having him be a villain is dumb as Heck.

You act like none of that was set up in the books.

Oh that reminds me that reading the books is a necessity if you want to understand the plot of 343's Halos, which is dumb too.

[Mistfox]

引用自 .Wulphee.：

引用自 Falleax：

Nah bro, the whole weirdly romantic plot between Chief and Cortana is just weird and out of character. Humanity bouncing back from the brink of extinction with a new line of Spartans and a super ship after only 4 years is silly and makes no sense. Having a living breathing Forerunner appear and having him be a villain is dumb as Heck.

You act like none of that was set up in the books.

While I do play the games, I don't get the books so what's in there is a black box to me. Not to mention the ingame lore and the books deviate a lot, like "Forerunner" being aliens when in Halo 3 it is specifically stated that humans are Forerunner. Guilty Spark even repeated it in 2 forms to drive home the point (Child of my Makers/You ARE Forerunner), going even further than what he normally calls them, Reclaimer.

The lore of the story was supposed to tie in with human religious themes, Ark, Flood etc and remember one point of the religious theme was HUMANS (Noah) made the Ark.

[Roadie]

I dont HATE 4, but it's certainly my least liked one. 5 I legitimately do not like at all.

The reasons are mostly because of the directions they took the story. I don't mind the gameplay changed that much.

[Roadie]

引用自 Mistfox：

引用自 .Wulphee.：

You act like none of that was set up in the books.

While I do play the games, I don't get the books so what's in there is a black box to me. Not to mention the ingame lore and the books deviate a lot, like "Forerunner" being aliens when in Halo 3 it is specifically stated that humans are Forerunner. Guilty Spark even repeated it in 2 forms to drive home the point (Child of my Makers/You ARE Forerunner), going even further than what he normally calls them, Reclaimer.

The lore of the story was supposed to tie in with human religious themes, Ark, Flood etc and remember one point of the religious theme was HUMANS (Noah) made the Ark.

Also idk what you're seeing in the games, but humans being modern Forerunners was a plot thread Bungie abandoned after Halo 1.

[Darydrus]

I enjoyed 4, it doesn't really have the halo feel but its pretty fun for what it is.

[Mistfox]

引用自 Redhorn Donnie：

I dont HATE 4, but it's certainly my least liked one. 5 I legitimately do not like at all.

The reasons are mostly because of the directions they took the story. I don't mind the gameplay changed that much.

It's like different authors just took the story in any direction they wanted. Reminds me of the old Star Wars books before Episode 1 and Episode 7+ came out, all sorts of stories but rarely any credibility lorewise.

[Roadie]

引用自 Mistfox：

引用自 Redhorn Donnie：

I dont HATE 4, but it's certainly my least liked one. 5 I legitimately do not like at all.

The reasons are mostly because of the directions they took the story. I don't mind the gameplay changed that much.

It's like different authors just took the story in any direction they wanted. Reminds me of the old Star Wars books before Episode 1 and Episode 7+ came out, all sorts of stories but rarely any credibility lorewise.

It certainly didn't help that Halo 4 is around the time Bungie was splitting from Microsoft. Some vestiges of Bungie were still around for Halo 4, but by Halo 5, basically 95% of all original Bungie staff had left. And you can feel it in Halo 5.

[ShunTheWitch]

Multiple things about 4 and 5, but one gripe about 4 was removed when it was brought to MCC, loadouts were all unlocked for everyone from the start, so not only was I able to use my favorite weapon in the series and my favorite armor ability, but everyone else could use a starting loadout they were comfortable with.
This being said, most of my reasons for hating 4 and 5 are standard in the community, narrative/artstyle/character changes etc but one sin leaves the most sour taste in my mouth about them both WHY THE ♥♥♥♥ CANT I PLAY AS AN ELITE ANYMORE YOU ♥♥♥♥♥

[Mistfox]

引用自 Redhorn Donnie：

引用自 Mistfox：

While I do play the games, I don't get the books so what's in there is a black box to me. Not to mention the ingame lore and the books deviate a lot, like "Forerunner" being aliens when in Halo 3 it is specifically stated that humans are Forerunner. Guilty Spark even repeated it in 2 forms to drive home the point (Child of my Makers/You ARE Forerunner), going even further than what he normally calls them, Reclaimer.

The lore of the story was supposed to tie in with human religious themes, Ark, Flood etc and remember one point of the religious theme was HUMANS (Noah) made the Ark.

Also idk what you're seeing in the games, but humans being modern Forerunners was a plot thread Bungie abandoned after Halo 1.

Halo 3, when they were about to fire the ring. Spark said specifically and this is a direct quote: "You are the Child of my Makers, Inheritor of all they left behind. You ARE Forerunner. But this ring is MINE!"

Hardly an abandoned plot, not to mention the whole Noah's "Ark" and "escaping the Flood" vibes. It was very heavily implied that humans were the ones that created the Ark and Rings, until the story went somewhere else.

[Roadie]

引用自 Mistfox：

引用自 Redhorn Donnie：

Also idk what you're seeing in the games, but humans being modern Forerunners was a plot thread Bungie abandoned after Halo 1.

Halo 3, when they were about to fire the ring. Spark said specifically and this is a direct quote: "You are the Child of my Makers, Inheritor of all they left behind. You ARE Forerunner. But this ring is MINE!"

Hardly an abandoned plot, not to mention the whole Noah's "Ark" and "escaping the Flood" vibes. It was very heavily implied that humans were the ones that created the Ark and Rings, until the story went somewhere else.

Guilty Spark's monologues could easily be written off as logic plague ramblings. The dude has been alone for a VERY long time.

Children of my Makers can also mean a lot of things. Doesn't have to imply direct lineage. Using one single dialogue line to prop up an entire plot thread doesn't seem like a solid foundation.