Halo 4 is an ugly looking game.

[TheRat62]

I remember being so disappointed with Halo 4 when I first played it on 360 because the graphics/art style looked so amateur compared to Reach and Halo 3.

Rocks and cliffs looked impressive and that section right before you hop in the warthog in the 2nd mission did look quite beautiful but overall I found 343 completely failed with their new "art style". To me, the game looks so cartoony and up until that point, Halo games always had a somewhat realistic vibe (even Halo CE and Halo 2 were going for realism but they were obviously limited withwhat they could do). Along comes Halo 4 and everything just looked so cheap and cartoony.

A lot of people at the time raved about the graphics. I'll admit, the rocks and cliffs did look more detailed than they were in Halo 3 but as soon as you would get up close and look at the textures they just looked low res and crappy. The cracks showed upon closer inspection and I found these more "detailed" textures only looked good in the distance whereas Halo Reach Halo 3 textures looked detailed up close.

Even in multiplayer, all the text/fonts were just atrocious. Weapon redesigns were hideous compared to the originals, Spartan armor looked cartoony, and they even managed to screw up the UNSC logo. Don't ask me why the look of a UNSC logo bothers me because it really shouldn't. But 343 managed to make the "UNSC" logo so damn ugly that everytime I see it I cringe. How 343?.... just..... how?

Halo 5 still had a somewhat similar art style to Halo 4 but overall I didn't find it to be quite as ugly. They also managed to fix a lot of the text/fonts so that they weren't such an eyesore when playing multiplayer.

But yeah, between the lack of proper Marty Odonell music, and hideous graphics I will always look back on Halo 4 as mediocrity. It just left such a bad taste in my mouth. I was all excited for a brand new Halo game as I was a huge fan of Halo 3 in highschool and I was sure Halo 4 would be just as epic as Halo 3 and I thought I was in for more of the same good old Halo. Purchased the game day one and I remember just feeling like why the hell did they change everything?

The game looked, sounded, and felt like some half baked Halo knock off. The game completely lacks polish in these areas and as a Halo fan that was just the complete opposite of what I was used to getting from Bungie Halo game and I was quite surprised that they messed it up.

I'm sorry if you love Halo 4 but for me it is easily the weakest Halo game in the series. You can sense the devs lack of confidence at every turn and you can see the obvious attempts at it being a COD clone and for that reason it will never feel like a true Halo game to me... not in multiplayer or campaign. (Even if the story has it moments)

I didn't like the Halo 5 campaign either. I really enjoy Halo 5 multiplayer because it has all that polish that Halo 4 was lacking and it's got very tight and fine tuned gameplay. The graphics may not be amazing in Halo 5 but the art style was definitely improved somewhat compared to Halo 4. So they somewhat redeemed themselves.

But I seriously can't wait for the Halo Infinite reveal because if they're going back to the original art style/graphics it's just going to obliterate both Halo 4 and 5.

Anyone else think Halo 4 is just a hideous game (even if it has a few moments of beauty here and there)?

[Hamburglur]

You're right. I think Reach looks worse than 3 too. But that's not as important as how awful a game Halo 4 was. The first truly bad Halo.

[TheRat62]

Messaggio originale di Sir Ben:

You're right. I think Reach looks worse than 3 too. But that's not as important as how awful a game Halo 4 was. The first truly bad Halo.

Halo 3 on the other hand is what I'd call a beautiful game. It doesn't hold a candle to some games today in terms of facial animation and character models. Even some of the textures work while still relatively impressive (especially for the time) is not as good as what we get in other games today

But the art style is just so incredible. Bungie really knew how to work with what they had. Going from Halo 2 graphics to Halo 3 graphics is a perfect example of a generational leap in graphics. I was blown away when Halo 3 first came out I thought it looked gorgeous and the amazing thing is that I still think it holds up against modern games today.

There's just this incredibly beautiful shine to everything in the game that makes it look so beautiful and I think it sort of hides some of the shortcomings that would otherwise be more noticeable. Again, its not character models that look incredible but I find the environments are just so incredible to look at. The sierra 117 level is actually a perfect example of what I'm talking about .

And this is exactly what I find 343 couldn't do with Halo 4. When I look at Halo 4 now I find it looks incredibly dated and amateurish. Even at the time it was released I saw it as a gigantic step back from Halo 3 and Reach.

The covenant ships all look really cheap and cartoony in the sky instead of all vibrant, slick and shiny. The explosions and the plasma effects look like garbage. Character models are impressive but everything sucks.

[すーぱー猫になりたい]

I don't really understand the hate. In my first timers opinion I find the change to look quite nice. The cutscenes like in 2 are top notch and still hold up. I do understand the dislike of the new armors but the levels themselves look nice. I don't hate the new armor looks and they don't bug me enough to make me say that they look ugly. I personally think the dislike of the new art style has only elevated to hate because everyone keeps focusing too hard on it. Its becoming the only thing everyone talks about and says about 4. That and the implamentation of sprint. Both are minor compared to the whole rest of the game.

[すーぱー猫になりたい]

Messaggio originale di Otaku°:

Messaggio originale di すーぱー猫になりたい:

I find the change to look quite nice.

Messaggio originale di すーぱー猫になりたい:

I don't really understand the hate.

Messaggio originale di すーぱー猫になりたい:

first timers opinion

You kinda answered your own question.

I mean stating my own opinion isn't a question. I mostly just pointed out that new fans tend to not find as much wrong in 4 & 5 as old fans do. I had played CE and II on original Xbox but never got around to Xbox 360 so this new port has been my chance to see the series all the way through. Mostly I have found every sequential game to be an upgrade or at least on par with the past game. 4 is by no means a bad game and the art style I find isn't ugly. I just got annoyed that it's become a forgone conclusion that halo 4 & 5 are terrible games and we need to keep bringing up how bad they are every single chance we get. I felt it was only fair to give a counter opinion or at the very least a defusing statement so people who may like this game more or less than I do don't have to stare at an eyesore of a thread that's purely people stroking their superior opinion where everyone can see it. I didn't say its an objectively great game or that it's the best looking game in the series. I stated my opinion in an opinionated way.

Yes, I did write this out. No I'm not really angry at your reply, nor am I a Halo 4 & 5 fanboy. I'm just really tired...online classes kept me up late tonight. I don't want to go to sleep so I thought I'd be fun to write a counter opinion in the first halo 4 hate thread I could find and then I thought it would be fun to analyse and explain how my non-opinion isn't something to get worked up about...and I am still typing.

On a side note:
You're attempt to devalue my stance even though I had formatted my stance in the least argumentative way possible I find extremely funny.

[TheRat62]

Messaggio originale di すーぱー猫になりたい:

Messaggio originale di Otaku°:

You kinda answered your own question.

I mean stating my own opinion isn't a question. I mostly just pointed out that new fans tend to not find as much wrong in 4 & 5 as old fans do. I had played CE and II on original Xbox but never got around to Xbox 360 so this new port has been my chance to see the series all the way through. Mostly I have found every sequential game to be an upgrade or at least on par with the past game. 4 is by no means a bad game and the art style I find isn't ugly. I just got annoyed that it's become a forgone conclusion that halo 4 & 5 are terrible games and we need to keep bringing up how bad they are every single chance we get. I felt it was only fair to give a counter opinion or at the very least a defusing statement so people who may like this game more or less than I do don't have to stare at an eyesore of a thread that's purely people stroking their superior opinion where everyone can see it. I didn't say its an objectively great game or that it's the best looking game in the series. I stated my opinion in an opinionated way.

Yes, I did write this out. No I'm not really angry at your reply, nor am I a Halo 4 & 5 fanboy. I'm just really tired...online classes kept me up late tonight. I don't want to go to sleep so I thought I'd be fun to write a counter opinion in the first halo 4 hate thread I could find and then I thought it would be fun to analyse and explain how my non-opinion isn't something to get worked up about...and I am still typing.

On a side note:
You're attempt to devalue my stance even though I had formatted my stance in the least argumentative way possible I find extremely funny. :MCCMONITOR:

I'm not complaining just because "its not bungie"

There are serious graphical issues with H4. Look at any texture in the game they're downright terrible. Ugly enemy redesigns.

The only thing in 4 that arguably looks better than 3are the.weapon textures (although now they're more cartoony looking) and character models.

Environments look far prettier in Halo 3 and had superior texture work.

[Adonis]

Over eight years later and we're still having the same conversations. Are these new fans stirring up these arguments? or is there a little army of hiddenxperia's just complaining about the same stuff for years as if it was yesterday.

[TheRat62]

Messaggio originale di BobbiZombi:

Over eight years later and we're still having the same conversations. Are these new fans stirring up these arguments? or is there a little army of hiddenxperia's just complaining about the same stuff for years as if it was yesterday.

Are new people not allowed to discuss similar topics that other people have discussed in years prior?

Is someone putting a gun to your head forcing you to take part in this discussion ? Lol

[I'm the walrus]

Messaggio originale di TheRat62:

Messaggio originale di BobbiZombi:

Over eight years later and we're still having the same conversations. Are these new fans stirring up these arguments? or is there a little army of hiddenxperia's just complaining about the same stuff for years as if it was yesterday.

Are new people not allowed to discuss similar topics that other people have discussed in years prior?

Is someone putting a gun to your head forcing you to take part in this discussion ? Lol

Most here including you are of the old halo people group

[Adonis]

Messaggio originale di TheRat62:

Messaggio originale di BobbiZombi:

Over eight years later and we're still having the same conversations. Are these new fans stirring up these arguments? or is there a little army of hiddenxperia's just complaining about the same stuff for years as if it was yesterday.

Are new people not allowed to discuss similar topics that other people have discussed in years prior?

Is someone putting a gun to your head forcing you to take part in this discussion ? Lol

I expect new fans to get tangled up in the conversations of old as they explore the games. But somehow many old fans still can't talk about the games without breaking into an old man rant about the the same points that have been beaten to death for just shy of a decade.

[TheRat62]

Messaggio originale di BobbiZombi:

Messaggio originale di TheRat62:

Are new people not allowed to discuss similar topics that other people have discussed in years prior?

Is someone putting a gun to your head forcing you to take part in this discussion ? Lol

I expect new fans to get tangled up in the conversations of old as they explore the games. But somehow many old fans still can't talk about the games without breaking into an old man rant about the the same points that have been beaten to death for just shy of a decade.

So you're upset about "opinions".

Maybe discussion boards aren't for you lol

[Adonis]

Messaggio originale di TheRat62:

Messaggio originale di BobbiZombi:

I expect new fans to get tangled up in the conversations of old as they explore the games. But somehow many old fans still can't talk about the games without breaking into an old man rant about the the same points that have been beaten to death for just shy of a decade.

So you're upset about "opinions".

Maybe discussion boards aren't for you lol

I'm "upset" that opinions can't just be that, opinions, ones where each is entitled to their own and discussions can be carried out with that understanding. Except here we go again "blah blah blah graphics, gameplay, story" "bungie good, 343 bad" "back in the Halo 3 days"

[TheRat62]

Messaggio originale di BobbiZombi:

Messaggio originale di TheRat62:

So you're upset about "opinions".

Maybe discussion boards aren't for you lol

I'm "upset" that opinions can't just be that, opinions, ones where each is entitled to their own and discussions can be carried out with that understanding. Except here we go again "blah blah blah graphics, gameplay, story" "bungie good, 343 bad" "back in the Halo 3 days"

Nobody is forcing you to believe that. Its literally impossible for someone to force you

[Adonis]

Messaggio originale di TheRat62:

Messaggio originale di BobbiZombi:

I'm "upset" that opinions can't just be that, opinions, ones where each is entitled to their own and discussions can be carried out with that understanding. Except here we go again "blah blah blah graphics, gameplay, story" "bungie good, 343 bad" "back in the Halo 3 days"

Nobody is forcing you to believe that. Its literally impossible for someone to force you

And nobody is forcing you to buy, play or complain about an eight year old game.

[TheRat62]

Messaggio originale di BobbiZombi:

Messaggio originale di TheRat62:

Nobody is forcing you to believe that. Its literally impossible for someone to force you

And nobody is forcing you to buy, play or complain about an eight year old game.

Ok... so you're upset that I'm sharing opinions on a discussion board where sharing opinions is supposed to be a normal thing ?

You do realize you can just ignore my opinions if they bother you that much, ya?

You're choosing to get triggered by other people's opinions just because you don't agree with them. Lol.

I may not agree with those who love Halo 4 but I dont go and get triggered by the fact that they like the game. Everyone is entitled to feel how they feel about a game... negative or positive either way... it doesn't matter.

Snowflakes from today think that everything has to be a safe space where only positive circle jerk opinions should be tolerated.

If it wasn't for critical people that give negative feedback, developers may not understand the areas that they need to improve upon.

343 may not have gone with a soft reboot and changed directions for the better with halo infinite had people not complained so much about Halo 5.

Negative feedback is a good thing. So put a smile on and stop crying because a negative opinion you don't agree with hurt your feelings.

Time to put your big boy pants on.

[Adonis]

Messaggio originale di TheRat62:

Messaggio originale di BobbiZombi:

And nobody is forcing you to buy, play or complain about an eight year old game.

Ok... so you're upset that I'm sharing opinions on a discussion board where sharing opinions is supposed to be a normal thing ?

You do realize you can just ignore my opinions if they bother you that much, ya?

You're choosing to get triggered by other people's opinions just because you don't agree with them. Lol.

I may not agree with those who love Halo 4 but I dont go and get triggered by the fact that they like the game. Everyone is entitled to feel how they feel about a game... negative or positive either way... it doesn't matter.

Snowflakes from today think that everything has to be a safe space where only positive circle jerk opinions should be tolerated.

If it wasn't for critical people that give negative feedback, developers may not understand the areas that they need to improve upon.

343 may not have gone with a soft reboot and changed directions for the better with halo infinite had people not complained so much about Halo 5.

Negative feedback is a good thing. So put a smile on and stop crying because a negative opinion you don't agree with hurt your feelings.

Time to put your big boy pants on.

Look over here, an intellectual calling people triggered and snowflakes, what an alpha you are. You can complain all you want, doesn't mean I have to sit back and not tell you to take your opinions back to the garbage.