Why the Halo CE have only 2-player coop in MCC?

[XOF]

I know that is how it was in the original but this is not the original, it is 2020 MCC and maps do not endorse any limitations to 4-player coop mode.

[Rico]

because it was that way in the original

[o-o-o-Tekno-Musang-o-o-o]

I playing KF2 it have 6 players coop please fix
and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stab me so I can wake up and dont see this post
Or wait some time and maybe some modders will replicate Halo CE campaing in Reach and maybe it will have workable co-op

[Depsurrel]

the game was never balanced around 4 player coop lol

[An Irate Walrus]

Origineel geplaatst door EVILBAKA:

I know that is how it was in the original but this is not the original, it is 2020 MCC and maps do not endorse any limitations to 4-player coop mode.

Part of the reason for this has to do with the narrative design of the game; technically Master Chief should be the only Spartan on the Pillar of Dawn; Spartan Linda was added as a narrative justification for the second player.

Having a third or fourth Spartan on board fundamentally changes the nature of the story. While that might not be a terribly big deal to folks who want to just run riot with their buddies, it probably does inform some of the decisions regarding player limits.

...also, as Depsurrel said, it was never balanced for four players. Just because a thing is technologically possible does not mean it should be done.

[zacharyb]

Origineel geplaatst door An Irate Walrus:

Origineel geplaatst door EVILBAKA:

I know that is how it was in the original but this is not the original, it is 2020 MCC and maps do not endorse any limitations to 4-player coop mode.

Part of the reason for this has to do with the narrative design of the game; technically Master Chief should be the only Spartan on the Pillar of Dawn; Spartan Linda was added as a narrative justification for the second player.

Having a third or fourth Spartan on board fundamentally changes the nature of the story. While that might not be a terribly big deal to folks who want to just run riot with their buddies, it probably does inform some of the decisions regarding player limits.

...also, as Depsurrel said, it was never balanced for four players. Just because a thing is technologically possible does not mean it should be done.

Pillar of Autumn is the name of the ship.

Don't think there is a narrative justification and there doesn't need to be one. Spartan Linda was in such bad shape she wouldn't have been able to help the Masterchief at all and would've likely died if let out of her pod.

Spartan Linda was from the early books and was grievously wounded during Reach and was put into a Cryopod so she would stay alive until they could get her some proper medical attention. She was never woken up during Halo 1 and her pod was ejected out into space before the Pillar of Autumn crash landed on Halo. Masterchief ended up picking up her Cryopod when he was flying away from the Halo ring.

Linda was an established character before Halo:CE even came out, the book Halo: Fall of Reach came out a few weeks before Halo:CE released.

[Magicktech]

Origineel geplaatst door EVILBAKA:

I know that is how it was in the original but this is not the original, it is 2020 MCC and maps do not endorse any limitations to 4-player coop mode.

It is the original. They didn't change the game. Adding some cheap new graphics doesn't balance the game for 4 players.

[Sikobae]

Origineel geplaatst door rico:

because it was that way in the original

Ah yes, the "NO CHANGES" argument.

Origineel geplaatst door An Irate Walrus:

Part of the reason for this has to do with the narrative design of the game; technically Master Chief should be the only Spartan on the Pillar of Dawn

Ssshh, no one tell this guy about 4 player Coop Doom or Duke3D, where you literally play as non-canon clone characters in a game designed around 1 protagonist.

[Rico]

Origineel geplaatst door Sikobae:

Origineel geplaatst door rico:

because it was that way in the original

Ah yes, the "NO CHANGES" argument.

Origineel geplaatst door An Irate Walrus:

Part of the reason for this has to do with the narrative design of the game; technically Master Chief should be the only Spartan on the Pillar of Dawn

Ssshh, no one tell this guy about 4 player Coop Doom or Duke3D, where you literally play as non-canon clone characters in a game designed around 1 protagonist.

the game isn't designed for 4 players, this is simply silly lmao

[Magicktech]

Origineel geplaatst door rico:

Origineel geplaatst door Sikobae:

Ah yes, the "NO CHANGES" argument.



Ssshh, no one tell this guy about 4 player Coop Doom or Duke3D, where you literally play as non-canon clone characters in a game designed around 1 protagonist.

the game isn't designed for 4 players, this is simply silly lmao

There are no silly people on this planet though. Everyone is intelligent and we are evolving.

[An Irate Walrus]

Origineel geplaatst door Sikobae:

Origineel geplaatst door rico:

because it was that way in the original

Ah yes, the "NO CHANGES" argument.

Origineel geplaatst door An Irate Walrus:

Part of the reason for this has to do with the narrative design of the game; technically Master Chief should be the only Spartan on the Pillar of Dawn

Ssshh, no one tell this guy about 4 player Coop Doom or Duke3D, where you literally play as non-canon clone characters in a game designed around 1 protagonist.

Shhhhh, no one tell this guy about balancing and the fact that both 3DRealms and iD games were largely intended for LANs at the time (I was in high school when both games released) rather than distance-based connections when even 56k modems were relatively expensive.

Maybe try your age related arguments on someone who hasn't been around for a minute.;)

[Rai]

Yeah it sounds good on paper, but they would have to do some serious tweaking on some parts. Do you get two tanks now with 4 players? Do you need more enemies now that you have two tanks? Can the level smoothly run with that many more enemies, on classic and remastered? These questions are just the tip of the iceberg of issues that would arise when adding 2 extra player slots to a campaign that was technically only designed for 1 player.

Not to mention that Halo's campaign and co-op is notoriously hard to work with and modify. There's a reason why, 20 years later, there still is no working co-op mod for either original Halo CE on PC, or for Halo 2 vista. Or why MCC was plagued with network issues on original release for Xbox, and still is for certain players apparently. If it was simple to do, it probably would have been done long ago.

[Brodi]

It's a remaster, not a remake.

[Leah]

It'll be a mediocre buggy experience as the maps are not designed to support 4 people, and would require countless amounts of work and rewriting just to get it to be playable.

[Salad-in]

Halo 2 will be 2 player co-op only as well btw.

[d0gv0m1t]

Origineel geplaatst door EVILBAKA:

I know that is how it was in the original but this is not the original, it is 2020 MCC and maps do not endorse any limitations to 4-player coop mode.

because it's running on the original engine with all its limitations