Anyone else feel that all of the covenant weaponry just gets outclassed by the dmr?

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Plasma repeater? Too slow
Plasma rifle? Too slow
Needle rifle? Good enough
Needler? Inconsistent and slow
Spiker? I don’t remember seeing one of these for a while
Concussion rifle is ok
Melee weapons don’t count obviously
Thoughts?

[Bongwater Pizza]

Messaggio originale di Das Psycho:

Messaggio originale di Satanichia's Milkies:

Anyone else feel that all of the human weaponry just gets outclassed by the dmr?

Assault rifle? Too slow
Shotgun? Too slow and low range
Sniper rifle? Good enough
Spartan laser? Inconsistent and slow
Grenade launcher? I don’t remember seeing one of these for a while
Magnum is ok
Melee weapons don’t count obviously
Thoughts?

Is H3 like this? Im kinda here only for 1 and 3. And hate snipers in any game i play.

In 3 the only thing you'll be sniped by is the sniper rifle. So no.

[cb4n28]

All of the weapons have their uses, but the DMR is probably the best all rounder. Most of the covenant weapons have sort of a specialist role though, so you really have to know what they are good for and when to use them. The Plasma Rifle and Repeater are generally superior to the AR in multiplayer short to mid range because they melt shields better. The Needler is awesome as a surprise weapon, if you catch someone coming around a corner or something with a face full of needles, it's an easy kill. The Needle Rifle has a similar role to the DMR with the added bonus that if you land three shots anywhere on an unshielded target, it causes an explosion, which essentially means it's the one weapon with no reason to go for the head. Plasma Pistol noob combo remains a viable one two punch in every game, why hit 4 shots and a headshot with a DMR when you can drop shields with one Pistol charge and then finish up with the rifle? Spiker sort of splits the difference between the Plasma Rifle and the AR in the sense that it is effective against both shields and unshielded targets. Concussion rifle's main thing is suppression, it's tendency to knock targets around disorients enemies and can make it hard for them to land counter shots

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Messaggio originale di Phantasm:

You just don't understand how to play the game yet, otherwise you would have only compared the DMR to the other weapon in its class, the Needle Rifle. All weapons have their uses for certain situations and have positives and negatives. They are literally all useful.

I’ve been playing halo for a long time there bud, but I never compared anything to anything if you would bother to read. What I said is that all of the covenant weapons are bad

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Messaggio originale di xSOSxHawkens:

Covie breaks sheilds, takes time on meat.

Bullest break meat, take time on sheilds.

Covie to start bullets to end is the best way to go.

Or a mag of neddles for a boom ;)

But they are all bad

[JJ]

Messaggio originale di Patreek!:

I'm not sure why there are discussions about multiplayer balancing. The game is old. Both sides have their pros and cons. Most of the Covenant weapons look stupid anyway.

The game is basically alive again. We shouldn't stop discussion just because it's 10 years old

[KsoChZ]

The point of the utility weapon in Halo is be the best all arounder weapon while the other weapons only have specific niche uses.

Plasma Repeater has always been trash
Plasma Rifle is only used in CQC to break shields, thats it.
Needle Rifle is Covy DMR it's equivalent to Carbine and thus fine.
Needler has always been a niche cheese weapon strictly mid range while they don't see you.
Spiker has always been a joke, don't pretend otherwise. Also isn't in Reach multiplayer.
Concussion Rifle is literally a power weapon, it's fine.

[Chinfu1189]

I can literally get kills with all of these weapons

[xSOSxHawkens]

Messaggio originale di Boomer Grug:

Messaggio originale di xSOSxHawkens:

Covie breaks sheilds, takes time on meat.

Bullest break meat, take time on sheilds.

Covie to start bullets to end is the best way to go.

Or a mag of neddles for a boom ;)

But they are all bad

not at all, they excel in their own ways.

Perfect example is the AR vs Plasma Riffle/Repeater. AR *can* break a sheild, but the Plasma does it *much* quicker. Likewise once sheild is broken the Plasma can take the kill, but the AR is better. In the end TTK is comparable and thus they are both usefull. Use them together correctly and it is a *very* effective combo.

Same for Plasma Pistol and Mag (noob combo)

The Neddle Riffle isnt just OK, its great. Before the DMR it more or less was the DMR. It has always been accurate AF, and currently has a smaller aim point (I think). Back in the BR days it offered a nice single shot alternative to the BR bursts.

Spiker is a lore friendly Brute version of the PR/AR, not quite as good as either in a shooting fight, but has the unique feature (if they kept it intact) of having one of the strongest meles of any gun in game, but again, that might be 15yr old memory playing tricks and the blades might just be looks. I will give ya, the spiker kinda sucks, but it has some flair when used right.

And needler, well its just what it is, fun and usefull, frustrating and useless, all in one.

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Messaggio originale di Chinfu1189:

I can literally get kills with all of these weapons

Gettin g kills and weapons being balanced are two different things

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Messaggio originale di The Cellar Dweller:

nope just sounds like you are getting outplayed

Ok, nice ad hominem but I’m not gimping myself with bad guns

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Messaggio originale di KsoChZ:

The point of the utility weapon in Halo is be the best all arounder weapon while the other weapons only have specific niche uses.

Plasma Repeater has always been trash
Plasma Rifle is only used in CQC to break shields, thats it.
Needle Rifle is Covy DMR it's equivalent to Carbine and thus fine.
Needler has always been a niche cheese weapon strictly mid range while they don't see you.
Spiker has always been a joke, don't pretend otherwise. Also isn't in Reach multiplayer.
Concussion Rifle is literally a power weapon, it's fine.

Cool and all but most of them, again are awful and need changes, regardless of whether or not they are “cheese” or “power” weapons

[Prince Slug]

Yeah it's always been a problem. Back in the day, everyone would complain how unfair invasion was. It'll probably never be fixed unless with mods to keep the OG feel.
I'm not trolling, but Halo Reach is an unbalanced mess, especially with the covenant weaponry.

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Messaggio originale di xSOSxHawkens:

Messaggio originale di Boomer Grug:

But they are all bad

not at all, they excel in their own ways.

Perfect example is the AR vs Plasma Riffle/Repeater. AR *can* break a sheild, but the Plasma does it *much* quicker. Likewise once sheild is broken the Plasma can take the kill, but the AR is better. In the end TTK is comparable and thus they are both usefull. Use them together correctly and it is a *very* effective combo.

Same for Plasma Pistol and Mag (noob combo)

The Neddle Riffle isnt just OK, its great. Before the DMR it more or less was the DMR. It has always been accurate AF, and currently has a smaller aim point (I think). Back in the BR days it offered a nice single shot alternative to the BR bursts.

Spiker is a lore friendly Brute version of the PR/AR, not quite as good as either in a shooting fight, but has the unique feature (if they kept it intact) of having one of the strongest meles of any gun in game, but again, that might be 15yr old memory playing tricks and the blades might just be looks. I will give ya, the spiker kinda sucks, but it has some flair when used right.

And needler, well its just what it is, fun and usefull, frustrating and useless, all in one.

Yeah but to the very way these weapons work they are awful, now I know they need bullet travel time and all but the covy weapons are just awful to use due to travel time, now granted what good weapons they have shine but you can’t say that the weapons have the same ttk when realistically you won’t be hitting half of your shots unless you are a prediction god

[The Commendatore]

If all of it is outclassed by the DMR, then what is the plasma pistol + DMR combo?

God mode?

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Messaggio originale di The Commendatore:

If all of it is outclassed by the DMR, then what is the plasma pistol + DMR combo?

God mode?

I guess but you actually have to hit the plasma pistol shot, and even then if you are actually going to pick up a plasma pistol I’d just say screw it and look for a better weapon