Erron black's luddy mussy

[Jeph]

It's absolutely insane, i've only ever done this move once, it's probably the move with the shortest time available to input the move and the longest damn one, for the love of god lengthen the input time.

[Darth Cervantes]

congrats on learning a complicated character. Erron Black and Centrion intimidate me for some reason

[Jeph]

Originally posted by Darth Cervantes:

congrats on learning a complicated character. Erron Black and Centrion intimidate me for some reason

Complicated? compared to other characters erron's got some of the lowest amount of combos, and the highest amount of short input combos, but then here come luddy mussy, on the shoot and to the gallows who require steroids just to make them actually happen.
I've learnt how to do it now, but instant doesn't quite cut it when expressing just how fast you have to input every move.

[keihtg]

I can't do it to save my life, lol. My buddy can do it no problem, but he is also a musician (plays the guitar) and I'm not, so that just strengthens my belief that people with a background in music are innately better at fighting games (see: SonicFox and, uh...lots of other pro players probably).

In MK9 and MKX, I also couldn't pass the "Test Your Might" challenges (i.e. press "A" as fast as you can) without getting a pencil and rolling it on the button with my palm, so my bppm (button presses per minute) are just bad all around.

[keihtg]

For the "On the Shoot" combo, if I just drag my fingers across 21, lift them, and the repeat 3 times, it comes out most of the time. Oppositely, I can just drag my fingers back and forth without lifting them, but that seems to require more effort.

I also heard once that you're supposed to press 211,2+1 (that's what that "Super" player says), but that doesn't work for me very often.

[Jeph]

Originally posted by keihtg:

For the "On the Shoot" combo, if I just drag my fingers across 21, lift them, and the repeat 3 times, it comes out most of the time. Oppositely, I can just drag my fingers back and forth without lifting them, but that seems to require more effort.

I also heard once that you're supposed to press 211,2+1 (that's what that "Super" player says), but that doesn't work for me very often.

honestly, if you have a controller, just play it like a piano, don't take your finger off and just move it back and forth while applying pressure, worked for me the entire time.
and yeah, i'd imagine musicians would have great hand coordination and usually they have to be fast depending on the song, so it checks out.

[jaywolfenstien]

Originally posted by Carta da forno:

It's absolutely insane, i've only ever done this move once, it's probably the move with the shortest time available to input the move and the longest damn one, for the love of god lengthen the input time.

Are you sure it's Luddy Mussy? b2 u4 222? I ask because I got it first try (and I'm not an Erron Black player), and I get it with 100% accuracy, and there's nothing special about the input window. I can take my time and do it at half my usual speed and it still comes out. I'm not trying to toot my own horn or anything; I'm just saying I think you're doing something else wrong and you're mis-attributting it to speed.

For example, are you pausing between u4 and 222 (ie, waiting for the kick to connect)? Because the 222 will not come out if you wait. You have to do 222 right after u4, and if you want to be safe you can just mash 2 right after u4 and keep on mashing until he shoots them out of the air.

Or are you letting go of up before hitting 4 (or hitting 4 before hitting up)? It should be back+2, up+4.

After messing around in practice mode trying to fail that combo, those are the only two points of failure I can come up with. The point is: it doesn't have to be done very fast.

Worst case scenario, turn on inputs, record yourself trying, and upload it. We can figure out where your'e going wrong.

Originally posted by keihtg:

For the "On the Shoot" combo, if I just drag my fingers across 21, lift them, and the repeat 3 times, it comes out most of the time. Oppositely, I can just drag my fingers back and forth without lifting them, but that seems to require more effort.

I also heard once that you're supposed to press 211,2+1 (that's what that "Super" player says), but that doesn't work for me very often.

The thing with that one is 21 registers and will come out. The problem is the rest of the combo (212) all has to be inputted before the original 21 comes out for the combo to trigger. There's no inbetween. Or in other words, if you do 212, it's the same as 21. 2121 is still the same as 21. For really fast inputs on a controller, yeah, sliding your thumb back and forth (or some variant) is the best option unless you take "the claw" approach and hover your fingers over the button. The down side is you might trigger an interactable by that mistake since that input is 1+2, and sliding across 1 and 2 you're bound to have both down at the same time.

You might try hitting 2 then sliding 12 and sliding 12 again. Might make it a bit more consistent.

[Jeph]

Originally posted by jaywolfenstien:

Originally posted by Carta da forno:

It's absolutely insane, i've only ever done this move once, it's probably the move with the shortest time available to input the move and the longest damn one, for the love of god lengthen the input time.

Are you sure it's Luddy Mussy? b2 u4 222? I ask because I got it first try (and I'm not an Erron Black player), and I get it with 100% accuracy, and there's nothing special about the input window. I can take my time and do it at half my usual speed and it still comes out. I'm not trying to toot my own horn or anything; I'm just saying I think you're doing something else wrong and you're mis-attributting it to speed.

For example, are you pausing between u4 and 222 (ie, waiting for the kick to connect)? Because the 222 will not come out if you wait. You have to do 222 right after u4, and if you want to be safe you can just mash 2 right after u4 and keep on mashing until he shoots them out of the air.

Or are you letting go of up before hitting 4 (or hitting 4 before hitting up)? It should be back+2, up+4.

After messing around in practice mode trying to fail that combo, those are the only two points of failure I can come up with. The point is: it doesn't have to be done very fast.

Worst case scenario, turn on inputs, record yourself trying, and upload it. We can figure out where your'e going wrong.

Originally posted by keihtg:

For the "On the Shoot" combo, if I just drag my fingers across 21, lift them, and the repeat 3 times, it comes out most of the time. Oppositely, I can just drag my fingers back and forth without lifting them, but that seems to require more effort.

I also heard once that you're supposed to press 211,2+1 (that's what that "Super" player says), but that doesn't work for me very often.

The thing with that one is 21 registers and will come out. The problem is the rest of the combo (212) all has to be inputted before the original 21 comes out for the combo to trigger. There's no inbetween. Or in other words, if you do 212, it's the same as 21. 2121 is still the same as 21. For really fast inputs on a controller, yeah, sliding your thumb back and forth (or some variant) is the best option unless you take "the claw" approach and hover your fingers over the button. The down side is you might trigger an interactable by that mistake since that input is 1+2, and sliding across 1 and 2 you're bound to have both down at the same time.

You might try hitting 2 then sliding 12 and sliding 12 again. Might make it a bit more consistent.

Yeah, mainly the delay for waiting for the hits to connect makes me fail the input, and since the moves are actually kind of slow that's what i thought it was meant to be, but apparently you have to do the whole luddy mussy before the pistol comes in contact with your character's upper chest, which is insane, but doable after you understand that.
I find it impossible to do if you're sick though, anyone with the cold or influenza or something is gonna slow down and not be able to imput most of those moves.