How to deal with Jax?

[FranKiller999]

I can't play vs Jax online, the people only mash F3 into de overhead, F3 into a couple of pokes, F3 into grab, and i don't even want to talk of his godlike FB

[Kaktwoz]

just reduce his health bar to zero

[Immortal]

The same way you deal with any other staggers in this game. You know the frames, so you know when is he likely to stop.

So F3 is an amazing mid (one of the top 5 in the game), it's 9 frame but -11 if you stop there which means almost never Jax player gonna stop here. Its almost always gonna be F3,3 (thats -4 on block) or F3,3,1+3 (thats -7 so you can punish it your reactions are on point).

He isn't + on anything here so basicaly you're just slow to react. It's pretty much always your turn here. Also Jax reach is pretty limited (as is his zoning) he can really struggle vs characters who can just keep him half screen away (he has an way in with the special but you can fish for it and KB him for trying).

That being said, Jax is a solid character, it's a shame so few people actualy play him.

[popsicle]

Jax is good especially against scorpion cause his stagger/leg is just slightly longer than scorpions.

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You just keep guessing (remember one mistake and you lose 35% of your health bar enjoy!)

[Immortal]

Originally posted by Your ping sucks:

You just keep guessing (remember one mistake and you lose 35% of your health bar enjoy!)

Yeah, just like in almost ANY fighting game when you guess incorretely on a stagger and oponnent just full combo you.

Thou in Jax case you will most llikely eat only like 5-10% and knd. 35% scenarios are unlikely unless you get hit with KB here (so he either has to have arms heated or throw KB).

Also you seem really salty at MK 11. ;)

[7Robocod7 |GBR|]

deal with cheapo jax. by being faster than him. and pre emptivley taking advantages frames.

Mash against him. It works.

Non trainable reaction speed is needed to Sleep him good, and Fold that guy up real good once and for all.

[рехнут]

check his framedata - his f3 and f33 and f33g are negative (and I believe f3 is punishable) -
which basically means that you can interrupt his follow-ups with your fastest counter mid.
f33g - is also flawlessblockable (but it'll cost you two bars to use a fl.block attack)

[рехнут]

he's still pretty annoying though, and he takes a lot of guessing game -
what hit should I interrupt him after - still it's guessing game for him as
well.so - I strongly suggest you to learn flawless blocking his overheads - so
you may give him some troubles by turning some of his option to not-so-vialable

[Zaxx]

Usually he'll try to mix you up but you'll get a lot more overhead strings than lows for one reason: his lows are punishable like hell so people don't really like throwing them out. So really when you see a string coming your way just stand block, that way you can bait out his lows, then you just have to guess well to punish.

As a general rule of thumb just try keeping him away, Jax has a bad time when he's not in your face.

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Originally posted by Immortal:

Originally posted by Your ping sucks:

You just keep guessing (remember one mistake and you lose 35% of your health bar enjoy!)

Yeah, just like in almost ANY fighting game when you guess incorretely on a stagger and oponnent just full combo you.

Thou in Jax case you will most llikely eat only like 5-10% and knd. 35% scenarios are unlikely unless you get hit with KB here (so he either has to have arms heated or throw KB).

Also you seem really salty at MK 11. ;)

Yes of course because guessing is the best part of MK 11 as we all agree especially when heated Jax comes to you after successful FB (because you cant react to that one especially online) and you have to guess his mix up that may in the end turns into a grab that is another 50/50 (just like in any other fighting game right?)

Also are there even things that you think that they should change in this game? because at that point you seem like another fanboy from reddit ;)

[3nf1@m10n]

I am a scorpion main and I am struggling a lot against him in both Reborn and Burning specter variation, But usually he keeps on doing poke kicks and such so maybe someone with a parry might help like Skarlet.

[Zaxx]

Originally posted by ????:

I am a scorpion main.

Begone!

[wulfbraker]

Originally posted by ????:

I am a scorpion main...

..."Searing Rage" and your secondary is Sub-Zero "Thin Ice", right?

[Immortal]

Originally posted by Your ping sucks:

Originally posted by Immortal:

Yeah, just like in almost ANY fighting game when you guess incorretely on a stagger and oponnent just full combo you.

Thou in Jax case you will most llikely eat only like 5-10% and knd. 35% scenarios are unlikely unless you get hit with KB here (so he either has to have arms heated or throw KB).

Also you seem really salty at MK 11. ;)

Yes of course because guessing is the best part of MK 11 as we all agree especially when heated Jax comes to you after successful FB (because you cant react to that one especially online) and you have to guess his mix up that may in the end turns into a grab that is another 50/50 (just like in any other fighting game right?)

Also are there even things that you think that they should change in this game? because at that point you seem like another fanboy from reddit ;)

Guessing is a part of any fighting game. It may take different forms but it is still about guessing and decision making process.

I'm fully aware of MK 11 shortcomings. I never said it's a perfect game - it isn't not even close but for me after the total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ which was MK X a total 50/50 game; MK 11 is a big step in the right direction.

I agree with pretty much everything other good players say that should be changed. That list includes: more negative pokes, you cant cancel pokes, unsafe d2, one time use FB (even if it doesn't connect), FB don't push you away on block so it always punishable, remove of flawless blocks which on higher level is used just like armored launchers in MK X, futher toning down of jumping attacks, removing KB for escape failed throws for characters which are designed with in your face playstyle with good staggers (that includes Jax), futher frames adjustments, fixing hitboxes / whiff issues on several moves which should connect in certain scenarios, add option to always decline wifi players in KL and more...

We actualy talked about it like 3 days ago on Dragon stream, with Ninja, Kombat and few others. Also i dont even read reddit.

Anybody can like or disslike MK 11 it's just nice if you can actualy explain what you dont like, give examples, give solutions not just "hate it coz... i hate it".

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Originally posted by Immortal:

Originally posted by Your ping sucks:

Yes of course because guessing is the best part of MK 11 as we all agree especially when heated Jax comes to you after successful FB (because you cant react to that one especially online) and you have to guess his mix up that may in the end turns into a grab that is another 50/50 (just like in any other fighting game right?)

Also are there even things that you think that they should change in this game? because at that point you seem like another fanboy from reddit ;)

Guessing is a part of any fighting game. It may take different forms but it is still about guessing and decision making process.

I'm fully aware of MK 11 shortcomings. I never said it's a perfect game - it isn't not even close but for me after the total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ which was MK X a total 50/50 game; MK 11 is a big step in the right direction.

I agree with pretty much everything other good players say that should be changed. That list includes: more negative pokes, you cant cancel pokes, unsafe d2, one time use FB (even if it doesn't connect), FB don't push you away on block so it always punishable, remove of flawless blocks which on higher level is used just like armored launchers in MK X, futher toning down of jumping attacks, removing KB for escape failed throws for characters which are designed with in your face playstyle with good staggers (that includes Jax), futher frames adjustments, fixing hitboxes / whiff issues on several moves which should connect in certain scenarios, add option to always decline wifi players in KL and more...

We actualy talked about it like 3 days ago on Dragon stream, with Ninja, Kombat and few others. Also i dont even read reddit.

Anybody can like or disslike MK 11 it's just nice if you can actualy explain what you dont like, give examples, give solutions not just "hate it coz... i hate it".

Very well then let me tell you why I hate jax

He can eat your health easily after using speedy FB that eats 1/3 of your health bar and then he stays heated up and it continues into easy dmg from a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ grab or other 2 KBs.

What I want to say is that the mechanic of being heated up in my opinion is done wrong.I got no problem with the idea of doing higher dmg on combos while being heated up.Many characters in many games have this mechanic but the idea of doing easy KBs that deals +30% on such things like grab only because he is heated up what you can easily achive by doing unreactble FB is just hilarious, no matter how good you were playing he can just eat your health bar without even trying.