I am considering banning anybody who picks Scorpion and Sub Zero

[King Hadu]

This is completely ridiculous, I thought Ed Boon promised to get away from the whole 50/50 mix up nonsense of MKX?

Which was sort of the whole point of having a footsie neutral MK 11?

Look at how broken this character is and no I am not picking a counter pick I want to play Jade, it should be balanced, Jade doesn't have any options to deal with this sort of nonsense since all her moves have super long startup frames and her combo potential is very small without getting the F 21 air juggle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBz-6cDaKs

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popsicle の投稿を引用：

I am literally the ONLY person to make high level ranked without ever using Scorpion or Subzero.

get outta here :^)

[tragickingdom]

popsicle の投稿を引用：

tragickingdom の投稿を引用：

also popsicle, is Scorpion your main?

Definitely not. I am literally the ONLY person to make high level ranked without ever using Scorpion or Subzero. Yes I actually spent the time to check the leaderboard.

I never played Scorpion or Sub-Zero in Rank or Kasual.

[tragickingdom]

Dude I just came a tough Sub-Zero just now. He was kicking my ass, to the point he was doing Fatalities and ♥♥♥♥. But as usual with this game the pendulum swings in one direction, it will return and I began giving him the same ♥♥♥♥ he was giving me. Fatalities and followed up with a nice Friendship to finish my game.

[JD]

King Hadu の投稿を引用：

I am considering banning anybody who picks Scorpion and Sub Zero

Sounds like their mix ups (not the most annoying mix ups btw) is the only reason why you lose to them and your Jade always does everything right lol.

[Rosetta_xo]

Yeah I get that a lot too. Personally, i think Jade needs a buff in the speed of her attacks they are too slow.

[popsicle]

рехнут の投稿を引用：

popsicle の投稿を引用：

I am literally the ONLY person to make high level ranked without ever using Scorpion or Subzero.

get outta here :^)

Hey man go check the leaderboards. The very top peak of KL is all hackers with tons of DNF and cable pulls. Followed by waves of Scorpion Subzero users. The top tiers are all dominated by these types of players.

[keihtg]

I'm definitely no expert, but punishment is the key against Scorpion. If you literally just duck (without blocking) while you're far away, all you have to worry about is the amplified teleport (which you can block). Just sit there and wait for him to come to you, block his ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, and then punish the ♥♥♥♥ outta him, lol. Once I started doing this, I've got a 100% win rate against Scorpion (in the lower ranks). Granted, I don't play as Jade, but the strategy remains the same regardless of who you play as.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2121938780

[Johnny Bermuda]

Go to the practice mode and learn some combos (use fast strings to hit confirm).
Try some combo extenders and finishers, and try the corner combo.
You can experiment some variations, easy but safe less damaging option or harder but high rewarding combos. Then set to easy krushing blows and start with d2 and learn how to extend the damage. Then set to low life and combine everything into hit confirming the fatal blow. You need to learn first your characters arsenal (staggers, safe strings, jailing, 30+ combos etc.).
Then pick a character that troubles you, set to show the frame data and record the moves. You'll see which one is punishable and which one aren't (you can dash back or jump and wait for a whiff). If you see the recovery is big enough, try the punish combos, first the closest and the fastest one, and if the opponent leaves you at some distance, try the slower but with higher reach.

If you punish once or twice with full combo, the opponent will be scared and intimidated, will brake away the next one. He will reduce high risk play and hence he's becoming more predictable.

It's time consuming but rewarding. So GIT GUD.

Your d2 jade is mature for an instant fatality. Don't play like scrub...

[Zaxx]

Johnny Bermuda の投稿を引用：

Your d2 jade is mature for an instant fatality. Don't play like scrub...

Sooo if he's playing like a scrub then what is your advice to him: how to punish Scorpy with Jade? An uppercut may seem like a dumb thing to do but really, Jade's launcher (F21) has a ton of startup frames to the point where punishing a teleport or a spear is not really possible. That's her only launcher, she can't combo off anything else = she can't full combo punish in that situation, an uppercut is kinda the most she can do.

So among all the "git gudding" maybe it's time to admit that MK11's balance is basically trash tier in some matchups? And stuff like this can produce real problems, I mean Scorpion is just the most popular character in the game so basically you can't main any of the fighters who suck against him. When it comes to KL Jade shouldn't even be on the roster lol, she's a fake choice.

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popsicle の投稿を引用：

Hey man go check the leaderboards. The very top peak of KL is all hackers with tons of DNF and cable pulls. Followed by waves of Scorpion Subzero users. The top tiers are all dominated by these types of players.

I already told you - if you quit via menu during "finish him" - it counts as DNF

Zaxx の投稿を引用：

That's her only launcher, she can't combo off anything else = she can't full combo punish in that situation, an uppercut is kinda the most she can do.

duuhh, and what if I tell you that jade's not about comboing..

Zaxx の投稿を引用：

When it comes to KL Jade shouldn't even be on the roster lol, she's a fake choice.

get outta here, I know few jade mainers ranked god/elder,
getting jade to demi is not even a f problem

[Zaxx]

рехнут の投稿を引用：

duuhh, and what if I tell you that jade's not about comboing..

Sure, she's a zoner / antizoner but other zoners have a much easier time against Scorpion. Basically everyone can punish the ♥♥♥♥ out of that teleport except for Jade.

[King Hadu]

Johnny Bermuda の投稿を引用：

Go to the practice mode and learn some combos (use fast strings to hit confirm).
Try some combo extenders and finishers, and try the corner combo.
You can experiment some variations, easy but safe less damaging option or harder but high rewarding combos. Then set to easy krushing blows and start with d2 and learn how to extend the damage. Then set to low life and combine everything into hit confirming the fatal blow. You need to learn first your characters arsenal (staggers, safe strings, jailing, 30+ combos etc.).
Then pick a character that troubles you, set to show the frame data and record the moves. You'll see which one is punishable and which one aren't (you can dash back or jump and wait for a whiff). If you see the recovery is big enough, try the punish combos, first the closest and the fastest one, and if the opponent leaves you at some distance, try the slower but with higher reach.

If you punish once or twice with full combo, the opponent will be scared and intimidated, will brake away the next one. He will reduce high risk play and hence he's becoming more predictable.

It's time consuming but rewarding. So GIT GUD.

Your d2 jade is mature for an instant fatality. Don't play like scrub...

Thanks I figured out Jade has a down kick that sends them back to neutral. Down 3 I think it is

[Jirai]

King Hadu の投稿を引用：

Scorpion has 4 different 50/50 combos all he has to do is just randomize them in any order and you would never be able to block a single string. it would be like rolling a dice with 4 sides and guessing.

The balance is really bad, how can you have a character like Jade that is all about neutral and footsie, but ZERO options from close playing against characters that has mid screen attacks that instantly fly infront of you plus teleports. The most you can do is block the teleport and punish although Jade doesn't have fast enough startup frames in the 2,1 string.

Only thing I could think of is the B 3434

Scorpion and Sub Zero on the other hand has full insane close range combos that could do max damage then rolling a dice on the mix ups.

Even worse Jade's parry has this really long long startup like 30 frames and its very deceptive its borderline worthless. lol

I think this is one good thing about PC Fighting Gaming you could create a community with some civil rules most of my friends know I won't play against Scorpion and Sub Zero and they acknowledge those are broken easy characters so they won't pick it

Imagine playing on console with just random match making and having to deal with this?

You clearly have no idea of what a 50/50 is.

[DarkPrince9507]

So, a Jade main that keeps spamming uppercut is sad about Scorpion? Ah, another great day in MK community.

[popsicle]

рехнут の投稿を引用：

I already told you - if you quit via menu during "finish him" - it counts as DNF

Nope if you quit any point of the match, it counts as a loss. And I get the win. Plenty of people quit on "finish him" and they all register as win for me and loss for other guy.