sub-zero is soooo weak

[DR33P55]

just spam him:
clones as noob-saibot
ground fire and airdrops from shang-tsung
pistols from cassie
green balls from cage

just spam from distance, he cant pwn you

[DR33P55]

blades from air jade and ground s12t you cant even get closer

[DR33P55]

after 2000+ games on sub I can say one - he suck (grandmaster-demigod)

[Troliny]

I have only one problem with him, he's so boring, no cool combos or skills just pure dissapointment for me. In mk9 or mkx he was fun. Now he's not.

[tragickingdom]

It really depends on who you are playing against and what character you pick. i faced weak Sub-Zeros and I faced hard as hell Sub-Zeros.

IMO Sub-Zero frames need to be slowed.

[FuscusNight]

Sub Zero has some insanely fast frames with incredibly long ranges and that overhead that covers a lot of ground while being incredibly fast.
I would say he is very far away from being weak.

The zoning spam issue is just a part of MK11's general issues it has with its design, one of it being they made zoning way to common of a strategy now with some characters even build for it.

[tayotony]

Originally posted by FuscusNight:

Sub Zero has some insanely fast frames with incredibly long ranges and that overhead that covers a lot of ground while being incredibly fast.
I would say he is very far away from being weak.

The zoning spam issue is just a part of MK11's general issues it has with its design, one of it being they made zoning way to common of a strategy now with some characters even build for it.

i agree, he is far from weak

[dcba85]

haha man, people said that to me and then got burned by my sub zero, he is so not weak, he is a cheeky bastard and I love him. You just need to learn to play him, he isn't for kasuals like Scorpion or Jade, Sub Zero requires a lot of time to learn, but trust me he is badass and he is my main <3

[DR33P55]

Originally posted by FuscusNight:

Sub Zero has some insanely fast frames with incredibly long ranges and that overhead that covers a lot of ground while being incredibly fast.
I would say he is very far away from being weak.

The zoning spam issue is just a part of MK11's general issues it has with its design, one of it being they made zoning way to common of a strategy now with some characters even build for it.

You can stand block this overhead while sub is on the ground. Its 50/50 if he attacks from air with starter like 1 or 2 into f2.

[DR33P55]

Originally posted by Купа Купыч:

Originally posted by DREEPSS:

just spam from distance, he cant pwn you

bf3 reversal doesn't work as well?

Yep, its like you block proj and then you press bf3 you hit in opponents's block or whiff w/o a chance to pwn your enemy. f3 isnt working too. Sub cant beat Cage's stuff (even with df1 amp) or Jade's stuff on mid or fullscreen space. As I said in OP Sub is underdog vs Noob on mid+ range w/o any chances.

[dcba85]

Originally posted by Купа Купыч:

Originally posted by dcba85:

he isn't for kasuals like Scorpion or Jade, Sub Zero requires a lot of time to learn, but trust me he is badass and he is my main <3

I might agree about Jade, but casuals suck bad fkkking around with Scorp..

It is very easy to perform big combos with scorpion, if you play a few hours with Scorpion, you can perform insane combos and finish them with a krushing blow. Scorpion's got nerfed and his teleport is a high, but still a powerful char.

[Timothy A. Clown]

After 300+ hours of mainly sub-zero games I can tell you he's probably the worst character in the game, but not by much. Almost all the characters are fairly balanced for the most part, he literally just needs his back 1 to be a mid and fix some of his inconsistent pokes/mid projectile issues. Right now in his current state he lives and dies by his 50/50s and terminator does a better job than he does at that with far better mids. Fast mids are king in this game and Sub can't compete until he has something to fight back with.

[Fell]

Sub Zero is S Tier online (variation 2 atleast), since you can't react to his 50/50s (that lead into combo or heavy special KB trigger), and he has anti zoning that leads into combos, a low profiling slide, air missiles, a long reaching B1 for whiffs, he has the fastest d1 in the game (6 frames, like Geras) and good pokes. He has the fastest overhead starter in the game and a low starter. He can be played completely safe if you dont wan't to risk 50/50s. He has solid unbreakable damage, good normals, great KBs and several that are realistic to get in a match, good scaling FB... he only lacks a fast mid.

Since Sub lacks a fast mid he is fairly bad offline, he can contest when fighting true S tiers who all have fast mids, and offline you can react to and punish his mixups, but online he is incredibly strong. If you doubt me, SonicFox and other pros say the same thing, and even refuse to play against him online since he is so cheap with latency. Seriously: Sonic, the best NRS games player in the world, refuses to fight against Sub online, since he is so cheap and broken. Think about that for a bit.
Whenever I face brain dead cheap crutch characters online, like Liu Kang, Geras, Scorpion and other picks bad players rely on to win, I simply pick Sub Zero since he is so easy to use and win with (even at Demi God and above). I main Raiden, Dvorah and Jade, so Sub is like cheating for me; so very easy mode. To combat other easymode characters.

Sub, just like Scorp, Liu or Jax, are so strong online because they are so incredibly easy to use, to learn - they require no skill from their players - but so hard to play against with latency since you simply can't react reliably to Subs 50/50s, to Scorps poke/throw/teleport mixups, or to Jaxs braindead stagger pressure from F33.

Again, if you think I'm wrong feel free to think the best pros in the world are wrong as well.
The only ones who think Sub isn't amazing online are bad Sub mains, and because they are so bad they can't even do well with a online S tier. I don't even main Sub but when I want an easymode fighter up in the higher KL ranks I pick Sub. He is that strong.