erron black is ultimate cheese

[123]

i know this because i started playing him and its just very easy. back 4 to put them on the floor, forward 4 for overhead. the slide is really good. if the overhead fails it still has an amplify to save you. it has the 21212 string which has 2 overheads because reasons. it has hte pistol whip and nobody knows when it ends and of course he has easy quick kombos to close distance with 111 or 12. if you do 12 forward or backward it still works. almost all his kombos have pistols aka range. his hop attack is insane. fast forward dash. pistol whip overheads. idk about you guys but this guy is not only the best character but also the easiest of the top tier characters to master. the only hard thing is the 21212 string. the only other top tier character this freaking easy might be sonya

[Kolumbo]

He does seem extremely strong. Though interestingly, SonicFox (his first big advocate, and one of the best at him) has abandoned him, and tweeted after Combo Breaker that he actually thinks he's not good anymore as his weaknesses in high-level play have become more glaring. Meanwhile probably the biggest Erron specialist in pro play - Hayatei - did decently but got knocked out well before top 8.

I think we'll still see a lot of Erron at lower levels of play, and he'll never be LOW tier, but his cheese will get easier to deal with over time as we get more used to it.

[Rei]

Devs make ez characters to cater to the casuals. If the game was truly balanced online would not be fun for bad players. Ez way to beat him is spamming ranged attacks with cetrion, geras, and Cassie.

[renk2o16]

yup amplifying the overhead is annoying

[123]

Originally posted by Kolumbo:

He does seem extremely strong. Though interestingly, SonicFox (his first big advocate, and one of the best at him) has abandoned him, and tweeted after Combo Breaker that he actually thinks he's not good anymore as his weaknesses in high-level play have become more glaring. Meanwhile probably the biggest Erron specialist in pro play - Hayatei - did decently but got knocked out well before top 8.

I think we'll still see a lot of Erron at lower levels of play, and he'll never be LOW tier, but his cheese will get easier to deal with over time as we get more used to it.

the kasuls never learn therfore ez win for me

[popsicle]

Originally posted by Rei:

Devs make ez characters to cater to the casuals. If the game was truly balanced online would not be fun for bad players. Ez way to beat him is spamming ranged attacks with cetrion, geras, and Cassie.

Are you saying erron black is aimed toward casuals? Cause he is not. His moves are not easy to pull off. In combo breaker countless people dropped the combos midway. The announcers didn't cover it. If you know the strings you can see it.

In the tournament NO ONE actually reload that rifle to full max. They got 1-2 bullets in before taking punishment. Not even sonicfox could time a full reload.

[Rei]

Originally posted by popsicle:

Originally posted by Rei:

Devs make ez characters to cater to the casuals. If the game was truly balanced online would not be fun for bad players. Ez way to beat him is spamming ranged attacks with cetrion, geras, and Cassie.

Are you saying erron black is aimed toward casuals? Cause he is not. His moves are not easy to pull off. In combo breaker countless people dropped the combos midway. The announcers didn't cover it. If you know the strings you can see it.

In the tournament NO ONE actually reload that rifle to full max. They got 1-2 bullets in before taking punishment. Not even sonicfox could time a full reload.

Im not talking about high skilled players. Op is talking about cheesie 4 button combos and basic moves, not optimal play. High skill floor with high skill celine makes him an easy character.

[Helter Skelter]

it depends on the matchups, i've destroyed many erron blacks using scorpion.

[Shpeed Buscemi]

Worst thing about Erron Black are how long his damn animations take for some moves.

Good lord it is a waste of time. Who the hell thought having long animations for a single move in a fighting game was a good idea? It feels like a cutscene half the time.

[HugzOverDrugs]

Originally posted by Helter Skelter:

it depends on the matchups, i've destroyed many erron blacks using scorpion.

and ive destroyed many scorpions using erron,it comes down to skill not matchup.

[Warpsmith_GREW50ME]

Erron Black and Geras both got wrecked at the highest play levels, but let’s be honest, most of us are regular joes who don’t play at those levels.

[Shaoh_Kahn]

Forward-4 for life ♿

[123]

Originally posted by AutomaticRifleReborn:

Originally posted by Shaoh_Kahn:

Forward-4 for life ♿

It's called blocking high ♿

its called amplifying

[123]

Originally posted by AutomaticRifleReborn:

Originally posted by Browser:

its called amplifying

Erron's f,4 has a startup of 26 and a recovery of 41. The amplify on block/miss has a startup of 16. You literally have more than a second to block a low that only does 50 damage.

This really is a case of "git gud"...

only a handful of people have blocked it against me. they are usually like: aha got em, not me
and than they think its their turn and i just repeat the cycle

[HugzOverDrugs]

Originally posted by Browser:

Originally posted by AutomaticRifleReborn:

Erron's f,4 has a startup of 26 and a recovery of 41. The amplify on block/miss has a startup of 16. You literally have more than a second to block a low that only does 50 damage.

This really is a case of "git gud"...

only a handful of people have blocked it against me. they are usually like: aha got em, not me
and than they think its their turn and i just repeat the cycle

well you are playing against handicapped people.