R u kidding me ?

[AronaBlade]

IT took like 20 years until sonya fan players finally got a version of MK with sonya as a great character to play . honestly it was the first ever version of this game that sonya fans could use this characters as their main . and now every day you just make it worse and worse .

i Can't believe it , you just removed the ONLY luncher - combo extend ability of her . now there is Only , only 1 st that you can combo with and it is unsafe and punishable badly , look at other characters , what about that stupid Geras then ?! that can do 67% damage even without fatal blow !!! you wanna this game be the GERAS Game , ok so change this game name to GERAS kombat . the most ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ character that i have ever seen in any fighting game history ever in my life , and you r so fine with him .

look his damage , his unlimited grab ability that is most difficult thing to deff against in fighting games , how many crushing blows that he has and can get them so easy , he can win a game just with his crushing blow easily . how many combo extend abilities he has , how much damage he can make without any problem . his insane flawless block hit that can easily turn to a high damage combo

in previous versions there was a lot of stupid characters with even more powers like Cyrax but you never ever did something like that to them

but you first changed sonya Air control crushing blow requirement , then lowered her health and even removed air control amp pop-up that was her only combo extender .

i Can't believe you didn't think about a better solution to normalize sonya . you could just add more damage scaling to Air control amp , that's it , easy as like as this two words .

the most common reason that peoples play games is FUN !! can u understand it ? yea you increased Air control damage at what cost ?!! now the only thing sonya can do is a just 3 hits combos !!!! now you just have only 1 real combo , with only 1 way to start it !!! how ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t is it in a fighting game history ever !!!


PLZ understand this , most of this game owners doesn't play for competitive or just take down others , THEY PLAY FOR FUN . when you remove a character's ONLY combo starter , extender ability , you just simply remove this character from the game's characters list .

now i think MID-WAY should keep this game alive , not netherRealm .

[HugzOverDrugs]

I cant believe that people are crying about a launcher KB being removes when if she touches you with any of her mixups you lose 40% of your hp and she only uses 1 bar max...she also has amazing footsies amazing zoning and as i said great damage and yet you cry about that launcher being removed.

[Medojedova zhouba]

Because Sonya is white and Geras is black. So what you expect? They don´t want touch him because of fear from racism.

[popsicle]

That launcher was abusive. It guaranteed Sonya 40% combos. Had to be removed for tournament sake.

[Nïċḵ]

So you only play your fav character when its op or what?

If you just want to ez win, go pick someone else. If you really are a Sonya fan, dont be stupid and keep playing the game. It shouldnt be a reason to drop her. And your character is still better than most of the roster anyway...


Stop the crap, man. Atleast your char is in the game. Some are still waiting for Rain to drop in MKX, HA!

[AronaBlade]

Publicado originalmente por HugzOverDrugs:

I cant believe that people are crying about a launcher KB being removes when if she touches you with any of her mixups you lose 40% of your hp and she only uses 1 bar max...she also has amazing footsies amazing zoning and as i said great damage and yet you cry about that launcher being removed.

as i said , i don't have any problem with lowering her damage , and again as i said most of the peoples play for FUN ! i don't care about damage , and there is no fun with playing her at all now , just go and test her now , you can't do a combo in mid screen at all , Just 1 , and this is Overhead combo St - forward B - X A B - back,forward Y . thats it . so you have to play all the games with just doing 1 thing all the time . yea i know in corner there is 50 - 50 combos , but now its so short . if you look , now she is the ONLY character with this problem , even Cassie and scarlet has more combo ST to confirm it to a combo . and that is my problem . im talking about having fun . they could easily add Damage scaling and lower her damage .

if you think she is annoying so what about Geras then ?!! be honest . they did Nerf all the High tier characters , and did Buff low tier characters as well . but didn't do such a thing to Geras that more people believe that is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and annoying so much more .

[AronaBlade]

Publicado originalmente por popsicle:

That launcher was abusive. It guaranteed Sonya 40% combos. Had to be removed for tournament sake.

really ?!!! it was the only thing she had , how can you say that ? i said it too many times , they could easily add Damage Scaling to it , bcuz it was the only thing she had . ok so what about Noob sai bot then ?!! he has like 10000 type of combo extending abilities , and has so much more greater Anti airs and still do a hell of damage even more than sonya . what about Geras then ? they didn't remove any , any of theirs , but removed only thing sonya had .

[AronaBlade]

Publicado originalmente por Nick ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

So you only play your fav character when its op or what?

If you just want to ez win, go pick someone else. If you really are a Sonya fan, dont be stupid and keep playing the game. It shouldnt be a reason to drop her. And your character is still better than most of the roster anyway...


Stop the crap, man. Atleast your char is in the game. Some are still waiting for Rain to drop in MKX, HA!

First of it , everyone like their FAV character be OP in fighting games .
second as i said they could lower her damage , add damage scaling or ... but now honestly you cant do any combo in Mid screen now , ONLY 1 that is so easy to def and punish , im saying they just removed all the FUN that was in playing with sonya .

of course i love to play my Fav character , i dont drop her down , bcuz i never did even on prev MK versions , and of course i play with other characters , my problem is just WHY they doing this only to sonya , and its unfair to this character fans , when the other characters Fans can still have their characters game play , but not sonya favs , if there is something it should be for all characters .

[IlyaMerian]

Publicado originalmente por AronaBlade:

Publicado originalmente por HugzOverDrugs:

I cant believe that people are crying about a launcher KB being removes when if she touches you with any of her mixups you lose 40% of your hp and she only uses 1 bar max...she also has amazing footsies amazing zoning and as i said great damage and yet you cry about that launcher being removed.

as i said , i don't have any problem with lowering her damage , and again as i said most of the peoples play for FUN ! i don't care about damage , and there is no fun with playing her at all now , just go and test her now , you can't do a combo in mid screen at all , Just 1 , and this is Overhead combo St - forward B - X A B - back,forward Y . thats it . so you have to play all the games with just doing 1 thing all the time . yea i know in corner there is 50 - 50 combos , but now its so short . if you look , now she is the ONLY character with this problem , even Cassie and scarlet has more combo ST to confirm it to a combo . and that is my problem . im talking about having fun . they could easily add Damage scaling and lower her damage .

if you think she is annoying so what about Geras then ?!! be honest . they did Nerf all the High tier characters , and did Buff low tier characters as well . but didn't do such a thing to Geras that more people believe that is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and annoying so much more .

What are you talking about? They did stuff to Geras.

• Geras - Xuid & Guid (Towards + Front Punch, Front Punch + Front Kick, Back Kick) Krushing Blow requirement has been changed to: "Triggers if the opponent is NEAR the wall when hit."
• Geras - Quick Sand Krushing Blow requirement has been changed to: "Triggers if this ATTACK has missed TWICE in a row."
• Geras - Quick Sand can no longer be performed while opponent is stunned by Temporal Advantage
• Geras - Gauntlet of the Ages Krushing Blow now has 4 more frames of recovery
• Geras - Without End (Front Punch, Front Punch, Front Punch) startup is now 21 frames (was 17)
• Geras - Knee Bash (Down + Front Punch) recovers 3 frames slower on hit, 1 frame slower on block/miss, and has 1 more frame of hitstun
• Geras - Fixed rare issue with Shoulder Charge (Towards + Front Punch) collision being offset after hitting a cross up body splash
• Geras - Fixed a bug that when winning a round with the first hit of Quick Sand, there could be a few frames of projectile immunity in the next round
• Geras - Fixed issue with Sand Trap which allowed players with Krushing Blow Held Check ON to store the Krushing Blow for future use if they hit an opponent blocking high
• Geras - Added FX to one of his idle animations

Cry me a river about Sonya nerfs moar, please. If "• Sonya - Amplified Air Control now does 60 damage (was 20) but does not cause a pop up" is your reason for dropping the character, then A) you're not really a fan of the character and B) it just proves Amp Air Control was a crutch and needed to be changed.

Meanwhile, I'll be enjoying my D'vorah, who got nerfed into the dumpster and lit on fire during the Day 1 patch, and who is now crawling out of said dumpster due to a 3 frame difference in a poke and hit box FIXES. And I stuck with my bug boo, because I love playing as her over any other character.

[AronaBlade]

everything you say about sonya , Geras has alot more , he has 67% damage in MID SCREEN that is possible to perform even on competitive matches beside his other combos with crazy damage , How many Krushing blow he has and how easy is their requirements and how much damage they do , and how many combo extender and launcher he has .

now look at nightwolf , johny cage and ... they have only 1 or 2 KB that their requirements is crazy enough that almost never happens . even sonya now has only 1 KB that you can see in a game , the others almost happens 1 in 100 games .

if any character needs nerf , it is surly GERAS in first place . but i think whey just made this game to Make Geras the Only TOP tier character . this is the worst version of MK that i have ever seen in balancing characters aspect . and they just nerf and destroy all except GERAS .

[IlyaMerian]

Sooo... you're mad that you lost to Geras or something?

If you'll notice, his KB requirements got changed quite a bit in this patch. I won't say I'm a Geras expert, but just reading the patch notes, I can say he got slapped about as hard as Sonya did.

I don't think you understand how significant a 3-4 frame nerf can be. It can be the difference between an easy hit confirm/combo extension and not. It can be the difference between a frame trap and losing your turn every time you do a thing.
It's a big deal.

[AronaBlade]

Publicado originalmente por IlyaMerian:

Publicado originalmente por AronaBlade:

as i said , i don't have any problem with lowering her damage , and again as i said most of the peoples play for FUN ! i don't care about damage , and there is no fun with playing her at all now , just go and test her now , you can't do a combo in mid screen at all , Just 1 , and this is Overhead combo St - forward B - X A B - back,forward Y . thats it . so you have to play all the games with just doing 1 thing all the time . yea i know in corner there is 50 - 50 combos , but now its so short . if you look , now she is the ONLY character with this problem , even Cassie and scarlet has more combo ST to confirm it to a combo . and that is my problem . im talking about having fun . they could easily add Damage scaling and lower her damage .

if you think she is annoying so what about Geras then ?!! be honest . they did Nerf all the High tier characters , and did Buff low tier characters as well . but didn't do such a thing to Geras that more people believe that is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and annoying so much more .

What are you talking about? They did stuff to Geras.

• Geras - Xuid & Guid (Towards + Front Punch, Front Punch + Front Kick, Back Kick) Krushing Blow requirement has been changed to: "Triggers if the opponent is NEAR the wall when hit."
• Geras - Quick Sand Krushing Blow requirement has been changed to: "Triggers if this ATTACK has missed TWICE in a row."
• Geras - Quick Sand can no longer be performed while opponent is stunned by Temporal Advantage
• Geras - Gauntlet of the Ages Krushing Blow now has 4 more frames of recovery
• Geras - Without End (Front Punch, Front Punch, Front Punch) startup is now 21 frames (was 17)
• Geras - Knee Bash (Down + Front Punch) recovers 3 frames slower on hit, 1 frame slower on block/miss, and has 1 more frame of hitstun
• Geras - Fixed rare issue with Shoulder Charge (Towards + Front Punch) collision being offset after hitting a cross up body splash
• Geras - Fixed a bug that when winning a round with the first hit of Quick Sand, there could be a few frames of projectile immunity in the next round
• Geras - Fixed issue with Sand Trap which allowed players with Krushing Blow Held Check ON to store the Krushing Blow for future use if they hit an opponent blocking high
• Geras - Added FX to one of his idle animations

Cry me a river about Sonya nerfs moar, please. If "• Sonya - Amplified Air Control now does 60 damage (was 20) but does not cause a pop up" is your reason for dropping the character, then A) you're not really a fan of the character and B) it just proves Amp Air Control was a crutch and needed to be changed.

Meanwhile, I'll be enjoying my D'vorah, who got nerfed into the dumpster and lit on fire during the Day 1 patch, and who is now crawling out of said dumpster due to a 3 frame difference in a poke and hit box FIXES. And I stuck with my bug boo, because I love playing as her over any other character.

i know , but just look how much different it makes on GERAS Gameplay and damage . why you can't get my point , Sonya had ONLY 1 EXTENDER or LAUNCHER , removing it makes a huge change on her game play , or having fun with this character . how many annoying abilities are in this game ? like Noob sai bot , Geras Abilities . why they didn't remove any of em ?!!! they have like 10 of em and they didn't change any of em like that . but they removed the only one in sonya . do u really think it is fair ?! they could do alot of things like what they did to Geras as you said that doesn't effect on characters gameplay or combos like this . lowering damage , adding more damage scaling , which one is wisely more ?

[The_Machiavellian]

How is her launcher the only thing she had? She still seems pretty good.

[IlyaMerian]

You do realize Sonya has a meterless launcher that she can dash cancel and juggle out of, right? Afaik, that's still gonna give her good damage and a set up after.

You're literally crying about a 300% damage increase (of the special move) in exchange for something that she can still do without spending meter anyway.

The 'only thing she had' argument is nonsense, given that she still has most of the same mixups and fast projectiles.

Also, your 'it should be fun!' argument falls flat as well, considering that getting juggled for 10 seconds after you get hit once isn't fun. Fighting games should be fun for both people fighting, not just one.

[AronaBlade]

Publicado originalmente por IlyaMerian:

Sooo... you're mad that you lost to Geras or something?

If you'll notice, his KB requirements got changed quite a bit in this patch. I won't say I'm a Geras expert, but just reading the patch notes, I can say he got slapped about as hard as Sonya did.

I don't think you understand how significant a 3-4 frame nerf can be. It can be the difference between an easy hit confirm/combo extension and not. It can be the difference between a frame trap and losing your turn every time you do a thing.
It's a big deal.

yea i have a lot win or loss to GERAS . so what ?!!

R u kidding me ? they just made them musch more easier . Quick sand KB so much easier , you will get reward for MISSING 2 hits and 3rd one will be Krush , and you dont even need to Kounter or punish it . xuid and Guid krush too . Geras is a grabber character and can easily carry you to near a wall and boom its krushing blow again !!!

i know how much diff makes adding 4 frames , and can make it punishable to a full combo damage , but Geras and other characters has a lot of combo ST to confirm it to full combo with alot of damage easily and it doesn't effect on your game play or combo hits at all , but now sonya has JUST ONE and its so punishable , R u kidding me ? tell me which character is like this ? all characters has at least 3 ST to confirm it to combo . BUT SONYA HAS ONLY 1 NOW . CAN U UNDRESTAND WHAT IM SAYING ?!! they just took all the fun of playing her with removing this POP-UP . now all the sonya players have to do only 1 attack ( that is so punishable ) in all the time of a match , if they don't like zoning , and she is not SO much powerful like scarlet , jade or ... and now she is not a aggressive , combo character at all . this changes just made sonya from a all round character to a character that is not good at any type of games like other characters , yea she has mix ups , but do you really enjoy playing just doing 2 hit attacks ?!! i dont like it at all . and my biggest problem is that they didnt do such thing ( removing the only launcher ) to any character , when have you ever seen in any game that they Remove something from a character like this , that makes such a big effect on the character value or gameplay , its so unfair to sonya players .

[AronaBlade]

Publicado originalmente por IlyaMerian:

You do realize Sonya has a meterless launcher that she can dash cancel and juggle out of, right? Afaik, that's still gonna give her good damage and a set up after.

You're literally crying about a 300% damage increase (of the special move) in exchange for something that she can still do without spending meter anyway.

The 'only thing she had' argument is nonsense, given that she still has most of the same mixups and fast projectiles.

Also, your 'it should be fun!' argument falls flat as well, considering that getting juggled for 10 seconds after you get hit once isn't fun. Fighting games should be fun for both people fighting, not just one.

oo ya ?!! so you should know they added more damage Scaling to ring dash cancel if you mean ! and wait can you tell me which sonya dash cancel is meter less , as i know sonya has only 1 ring dash cancel for combo that uses meter bcuz you cancel AMP ring and you can do it only on corner , and even that combo needed this Air control pop-up to get max damage of it for a combo that is not easy to do at all . and if you mean dash to ( Forward + B ) , i should say all the characters has the same and its not a real combo that i mean .

ok i understand what you say but tell me why they didnt do same to other characters ? like noob sai bot ?! is she really more annoying than noob that can punish you from anywhere on the screen on any type of whiif with like 100 types of combo mix ups , with a crazy damage ?? he doesn't have good open up i know but he has soooo much stronger tools . why you can't understand my points ?? they could do it in many other ways that they did to all characters , why removing it ?! there is alot more annoying abilities from other characters like this , why it should be sonya only , and the problem is this simple change that you say , makes a big gameplay changing that never happened in any other fighting game , you will see what im talking about after some games