Do I have to cook dead animal flesh to progress/finish the game? I'm not feeding the frog dead pig flesh.

[ellesig2021]

I think this game is beautiful save for the exploitation and commodification of animal flesh and byproducts. I won't be finishing the game if I have to kill or pay for animal flesh. It's not my fantasy to participate in a system like that when I know the the reality real animals go through. Most people wouldn't think it's cute to cook up animals if they had to watch that animal's last moments alive.

[Noodle]

My point is; its a game.

It's not real. It's fiction. I see the real world issues and I agree with you but this is a game.
If you don't enjoy the game thats fine, its your opinion but dont let real world issues and problems ruin a game for you, otherwise you're blocking out a lot of great titles with amazing stories that you otherwise wouldn't experience.

[Talist]

Let me add some clarification to the answer, if anyone still cares about the question being asked.

I am most of the way through the game, and I believe that, in order to do the main spirit quests, there are 6 points/ways where you need to use animal products in some way. You, as the player, do not kill any animals other than ones you fish up. The only non-fish meat you get is bought from the stores, so you can say those are the tofu variants if you'd like.

1) Progression is limited by wool at points. You need to feed a sheep and bring it onto your boat. Then can build it a pen, feed it, and shear it for wool, and use that to make thread or fabric. You end up needing about 15 sheep shears worth of wool over the course of the game, but the sheep ultimately seem pretty ambivalent about being sheared.
2) You need to use at least one unit of chicken to cook two meals of fried chicken for Atul and Mickey. If you use one chicken plus five fat items, you can get multiple meals out of one chicken.
3) You need at least one unit of pork to cook one meal of pork chops for Atul.
4) You need to host a dinner, and some of the guests may ask for food made from meat/fish. This is for Atul's ending quest. Depending on who you invite, you need to cook different meals. Gustav and Mickey, two of the three I invited in my play through, did. Astrid, my third guest, did not.
5) Near mid-late game, you need to fish for a specific item, and because fishing is random, you'll likely end up catching fish while trying to get it. Once you start seeing bottled ectoplasam coming up in your material requirements for progression, you need to fish for a 'mysterious seed'.
6) Stanley asks for an egg at one point. Also, he won't eat foods with fruit or veggies in them, but you can still give him grain based foods. He'll also give you an egg to smash in the crusher, but I don't remember if you actually need to or not.

Oh, and also a bunch of the random 'rare item' chests just happen to have fish in them for some reason, so if you open them, they will give you fish. Though technically, I don't believe you need to ever open a rare chest.

Other than these moments, I believe you can go through the entire game vegan if you so choose. Of course, there will be a lot of optional content that you'll miss, like collecting various recipes, side quests, and giving characters their favorite foods. Though I believe only three characters have non-vegan favorite foods, that being Atul, Gustav, and Giovanni, who want pork, fish, and beef, respectively, but you don't need to give them their favorite foods.

Hope this helps in some way.

Edit - I remembered a seventh. You need at least one pork to cook a corndog for Buck's D&D group.

[rmsgrey]

引用自 Talist：

Edit - I remembered a seventh. You need at least one pork to cook a corndog for Buck's D&D group.

I believe you can be given that item as a gift for Buck being happy so, while you need to handle it, you don't need to create it.

[AugustsEve]

引用自 ellesig2021：

Perhaps one day the majority of people will agree with me and understand that a semi preserved rotting corpse is not a wholesome treat.

I just got to break out the grill for the first time after a long winter - and man, I've gotta tell you, those hamburgers were great. Like, just damn. They were good. If the year's first delicious burger isn't a "wholesome treat" then they don't exist.

[MM]

Bro are you serious this is a game?

[Crane]

dumbest ♥♥♥♥ i ever read THEYRE PIXELS

[Saturnberry]

引用自 ellesig2021：

the exploitation and commodification of animal flesh and byproducts. I won't be finishing the game if I have to kill or pay for animal flesh. It's not my fantasy to participate in a system like that when I know the the reality real animals go through. Most people wouldn't think it's cute to cook up animals if they had to watch that animal's last moments alive.

It's a game, it's not real. ♥

Also, if it was the only thing to eat, you might have to skin an animal. Just a few generations ago, they had to do that, eh? ♥

[mikusama]

Seriously you took too much of your time to troll this discussion. Everyday we partake in morally discutable behaviour in video games, and through art in general. So shut the fck up with your nonsense and resume your meaningless life.

[The Renderer]

So killing thousands of people in Borderlands or Cyberpunk, as you did, is fine, but cooking meat is not? Interesting priorities.

[Sock Dog]

引用自 ellesig2021：

Animals have no moral agency, they are doing whatever they have to in order to survive day to day. We literally invented our way out of the food chain, we have the power to decide how much suffering is acceptable for all other life on this planet. We grow up in a world that normalizes eating farmed animals. But if many of us had to see their brutal murders we would suddenly realize their lives are not worth our taste buds. That the truth has been hidden from us, the crimes against animals are done out of sight so we can remain comfortably numb to their tragedy. In our world we are in the middle of the 6th mass extinction, and that is thanks to people thinking it's a good idea to clear cut forests to raise and feed tens of billions of animals and over fish our oceans, it's predicted we may have barren oceans as soon as 2048 if we don't stop putting dead animals in our mouths. The fact is, in a modern society we don't have to harm animals to survive or eat delicious food. All nutrients come from plants we can isolate and recombine those nutrients and spare the animals. Animal agriculture uses around 80% of all farm land, produces 18% of the calories produced over all, if the world went vegan we could return as much as 75% back to the wild. There are many reasons to stop harming animals but until we expand our circle of compassion to extend beyond ourselves we may not realize it until it is too late.

The left can't meme.

[Mharr]

As well as being a game, within the fiction this is all taking place in a spirit realm where thought becomes form. A pork chop in Spiritfarer is not so much meat as the reified *idea* of meat.

[Vis]

What you do in a video game does not have to reflect any real life values or morals. Not finishing a game for that reason is honestly pathetic

[Kimochiru]

I don't understand why people in the thread are going "bruh it's just a game". Like, this is an important ethical position to the OP, if it's of no interest to you then just move on and ignore it..? There's no value in mocking somebody for a harmless choice.

To actually answer the question, yes the game does require handling meat to complete. The only form of meat that clearly comes from an animal source is the fish, and you can pretend the other meats are vegetarian alternatives. The animal characters are technically humans, too, so in that sense the game isn't that tone deaf about it. Talist has compiled a more detailed list of story-required quests that involve handling animal products.

[Phoenix-Mask]

引用自 Kimochiru：

I don't understand why people in the thread are going "bruh it's just a game". Like, this is an important ethical position to the OP, if it's of no interest to you then just move on and ignore it..? There's no value in mocking somebody for a harmless choice.

To actually answer the question, yes the game does require handling meat to complete. The only form of meat that clearly comes from an animal source is the fish, and you can pretend the other meats are vegetarian alternatives. The animal characters are technically humans, too, so in that sense the game isn't that tone deaf about it. Talist has compiled a more detailed list of story-required quests that involve handling animal products.

To make a fuss about something like this in a game seems like the reaction of someone rather fanatic and there is no reason to encourage people like that. Especialy since for some animals it simply is normal to eat other animals

[Mharr]

引用自 Kimochiru：

I don't understand why people in the thread are going "bruh it's just a game". Like, this is an important ethical position to the OP

I don't believe anyone with a Steam account hasn't merrily murdered a thousand people npcs because it's just a game.

Yeah, there you go. 500+ hours in Borderlands, positively reviewed. Lolz.