How evil can we be in Wasteland Raiders

[Lt.Stock]

From "Just Murder Pillage and Burn" to "Almost every atrocity from enslaving women to work in sex pits and killing kids". How brutal can we be in Wasteland Raiders since you pitched it as a bad guy sim and most serious bad guy sims don't let us go that far on the evil scale or give us "good guys" as bad as we are..

[Creative Storm Entertainment]

Good question. In the game you can enslave people, raze settlements (and attack the refugees as they try and escape, deploy weapons of mass destruction (gas, napalm, tactical nukes) that you scavenge in the desert, use human shields in combat, eat your hostages or your own raiders if you're hungry, and plenty more nasty things.

The way the game is designed it's pretty tough not to be an absolute savage in the wasteland -- you and your people will eventually starve or die from dehydration if you don't obtain water or food. I suppose one *could* build revenue-generating buildings early on and perhaps just purchase what you need from the settlements, but it would be pretty tough going.

Hope this answers your question.

[samuricex]

Mother-in-law level.

[Creative Storm Entertainment]

The suggestion box for evil acts as most definitely still open.

[LegendaireNic]

The thing is that there's a thin line that must thread on carefully. If the actions you can take are extremely tasteless and offensive, you have to make adjustements to avoid being labelled.
On the other end, going all-out will atract chuds and creeps who revel in the harm of others (wether it's slavery, killing, raping) is gonna also give a bad rep to the game.

[Creative Storm Entertainment]

Good points. Ultimately I decided to go somewhere along the lines of Fallout 2/Tyranny levels of evil. The player can be extremely terrible to others, but it's also justified a small amount by your raiders expectations for enrichment as well as basic survival.

[Lt.Stock]

Originally posted by LegendaireNic:

The thing is that there's a thin line that must thread on carefully. If the actions you can take are extremely tasteless and offensive, you have to make adjustements to avoid being labelled.
On the other end, going all-out will atract chuds and creeps who revel in the harm of others (wether it's slavery, killing, raping) is gonna also give a bad rep to the game.

There is no thin line between tasteless and offensive. If I am told I am the bad guy I should feel like a bad guy. Too many games like Tyranny and Overlord suffer from the "You are a bad guy but there are people worse than you, we'll let you kick puppies around and be a general douche but you aren't as bad as the other guys"

And as for Fallout 2 and Tyranny, as long we can get events where we decide what we do with the children (Kill them first, sell them to slavery, make them shoot their own families). I am fine with that level of evil as I am an evil raider.

[First Mate]

Its a game though, I hate when games hold back because of society. Companies ignoring history such as Nazi germany, slavery etc.

[LegendaireNic]

Originally posted by Lt.Stock:

Originally posted by LegendaireNic:

There is no thin line between tasteless and offensive. If I am told I am the bad guy I should feel like a bad guy. Too many games like Tyranny and Overlord suffer from the "You are a bad guy but there are people worse than you, we'll let you kick puppies around and be a general douche but you aren't as bad as the other guys"

And as for Fallout 2 and Tyranny, as long we can get events where we decide what we do with the children (Kill them first, sell them to slavery, make them shoot their own families). I am fine with that level of evil as I am an evil raider.

I think my point went over your head. In a game about raiders in a post-apoc wasteland, of course there will be killing, pillaging and enslaving. I meant things like rape. When devs add these matters into game, they are treated as a bad thing by the game and the subtext, not the characters.
So while in Fallout you can be a canibal, the game has gameplay consequences for it. But the game doesen't prevent you from being a canibal, it just has consequences along side it. The game is not like ''Oh yeah this horrible thing is amazing''.
You might ask if i'm okay with brothels, and again. the subtext is important. A brothel is where willing men and women prostitute themselves for money or pleasure, in definition. They don't say that people are raped in there.

First Mate above me is an example of what we call chuds. They use excuses like ''historical accuracy'', ''free speech'' and ''gaming culture'' to spread their hateful views, eventually making them mainstream and socially acceptable. Such as Mysoginy/Racism/transphobia/Homophobia Maybe he's one, maybe he's just parroting it because he's been influenced, can't say. A lot of Gamers have been radicalized and it's affecting how we are being viewed.

I'd hate this game to become a cesspool of chuds like the Darkest Dungeon community and so many other. So this is why i'm speaking about it. If you are not someone like that, then don't feel attacked.

[Zyklon B]

"No breaks on the rape train" that's gonna be my Warband's motto.

[Lt.Stock]

Originally posted by LegendaireNic:

Originally posted by Lt.Stock:

There is no thin line between tasteless and offensive. If I am told I am the bad guy I should feel like a bad guy. Too many games like Tyranny and Overlord suffer from the "You are a bad guy but there are people worse than you, we'll let you kick puppies around and be a general douche but you aren't as bad as the other guys"

And as for Fallout 2 and Tyranny, as long we can get events where we decide what we do with the children (Kill them first, sell them to slavery, make them shoot their own families). I am fine with that level of evil as I am an evil raider.

I think my point went over your head. In a game about raiders in a post-apoc wasteland, of course there will be killing, pillaging and enslaving. I meant things like rape. When devs add these matters into game, they are treated as a bad thing by the game and the subtext, not the characters.
So while in Fallout you can be a canibal, the game has gameplay consequences for it. But the game doesen't prevent you from being a canibal, it just has consequences along side it. The game is not like ''Oh yeah this horrible thing is amazing''.
You might ask if i'm okay with brothels, and again. the subtext is important. A brothel is where willing men and women prostitute themselves for money or pleasure, in definition. They don't say that people are raped in there.

First Mate above me is an example of what we call chuds. They use excuses like ''historical accuracy'', ''free speech'' and ''gaming culture'' to spread their hateful views, eventually making them mainstream and socially acceptable. Such as Mysoginy/Racism/transphobia/Homophobia Maybe he's one, maybe he's just parroting it because he's been influenced, can't say. A lot of Gamers have been radicalized and it's affecting how we are being viewed.

I'd hate this game to become a cesspool of chuds like the Darkest Dungeon community and so many other. So this is why i'm speaking about it. If you are not someone like that, then don't feel attacked.

Of course not, I am just having an unpopular opinion that evil campaigns should be baby eating evil since too many devs are too scared to go all out in the evil depart despite hyping it up as the game where you play as an evil person

[RDG]

Originally posted by Lt.Stock:

They use excuses like ''historical accuracy'', ''free speech'' and ''gaming culture'' to spread their hateful views, eventually making them mainstream and socially acceptable. Such as Mysoginy/Racism/transphobia/Homophobia Maybe he's one, maybe he's just parroting it because he's been influenced, can't say. A lot of Gamers have been radicalized and it's affecting how we are being viewed.

Excuse me on calling out your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, first I would like you to give me a list of games that have been "radicalized" you did mention "a lot" right shouldnt be hard , second you are paranoid into thinking creativity = making whatever their story is "socially accepted", third free speech is a thing and so is freedom of thought, creators shouldn't be stopped from making their fictional works whatever they desire because it will offend some paranoid people, said paranoid people should just go elsewhere and buy another product or make their own (with their marxist utopia? hey no one will stop you even though it literally killed millions of people in the past, that is what freedom of speech is), not try to control what other people are allowed to think.