The demon on the fifth floor is kicking my butt

[imwithdummy]

I'm sure its just me, but I'm at the third fight of this quest, the one with the big, electrocharged guys that mark the floor before bombing it?
Oh my god man, I just can't even start to get past this. I thought I was going to make it once, but more and more reinforcements just kept showing up and eventually whittled me down.

My plan? You know those snipers at the very back-end of the room? My plan was to trek my Paladin back there to keep them busy...to stop the 20+ damage hits they're continually doling out.

But all the enemies rushing up from there end up blocking her path...and I just end up shuffling around by the area we came in, getting my butt handed to me.
Anyone have a decent strategy for this fight?
I love this game, but am starting to get a little worn out with all the losing I'm doing here.

Edit: Anyone know if you can respec, and if so, how?

[Methfu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOW_zTTd0KM
Did you mean this fight? The Tavern Keeper in the inn sells Oblivion Potions that allow you to respec, they refresh to a stack of 8 after each chapter.

[JC]

Whoops, wrong fight..

Take down one of the Zapper guys first, Use all your heavy hitters and ranged on one to take him out of the battle in the first round, or start at second. After he drops, use dwarf to tank the other.

Use heavy hitters to take down snipers, Or sneak your theif, Or use ranged sniper attacks, and freeze bombs.


Once you drop one of the zappers, the rest should go fairly easy. Watch out for the traps.

[imwithdummy]

Thanks for the help here...I fought this battle 5-6 times and by the last time, it seemed to just come down to being on the good side of the RNG...just have to remember that sometimes things just don't go your way and to not get too flustered, I guess.

Originally posted by JC:

Whoops, wrong fight..
Take down one of the Zapper guys first, Use all your heavy hitters and ranged on one to take him out of the battle in the first round, or start at second. After he drops, use dwarf to tank the other.

Use heavy hitters to take down snipers, Or sneak your theif, Or use ranged sniper attacks, and freeze bombs.

Once you drop one of the zappers, the rest should go fairly easy. Watch out for the traps.

Hah, I did that...I finally got my ranger and dwarf to the back and they just annihilated the snipers no problem...was way satisfying and ultimately saved me from the ton of damage they can do from across the dang room. Was a great strategy, thanks!

[imwithdummy]

Originally posted by Methfu:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOW_zTTd0KM
Did you mean this fight? The Tavern Keeper in the inn sells Oblivion Potions that allow you to respec, they refresh to a stack of 8 after each chapter.

No, but nice to have for when I come across it! Very nice. Have been having a bit of trouble here and there with finding applicable Google search results, nice to have a gimme here =]

[JC]

Nice, glad i could help. It really is great when you finally figure out a strat to beat a fight you are having issues with. :)


PS, the game uses a random seed, meaning if you fight the same way every time it will have the exact same outcome. To change the outcome you have to use different tactics.

So what this means is if you take your barb and attack a minion and you miss, if you reload the exact same thing will happen. So to change it up perhaps you move your barb and then use fortify, that changes the start and changes the number in the seed.


This forum is pretty helpful though so if you run into trouble again just ask. Enjoy!

[imwithdummy]

Originally posted by JC:

PS, the game uses a random seed, meaning if you fight the same way every time it will have the exact same outcome. To change the outcome you have to use different tactics.

So what this means is if you take your barb and attack a minion and you miss, if you reload the exact same thing will happen. So to change it up perhaps you move your barb and then use fortify, that changes the start and changes the number in the seed.


This forum is pretty helpful though so if you run into trouble again just ask. Enjoy!

Way helpful to know...
I've been trying to stay away from mid-fight reloads... I would do that with XCom, on account of losing your guy forever if he died? But here it's been kind of fun to end up with just like...your Pally...at half health, struggling to chase down the last two enemies. So far its only happened once, but to just BARELY win a fight almost has me jumping out of the chair after that last, finishing sword strike or whatever connects.
In fact, I'd suggest that for anyone who hasn't tried it...to just let the fight play out. Sometimes it can mean an amazing come from behind victory you didn't see coming...it adds a lot of flavor to the game IMO when every move really counts. My two cents anyway.

Originally posted by JC:

Nice, glad i could help. It really is great when you finally figure out a strat to beat a fight you are having issues with. :)

Absolutely, huh? A very real sense of accomplishment. This is one of those games that makes me think of how much better this stuff is than watching TV or something. The kind of strategizing...its like chess, right? Really have to put some thought into this stuff...makes it that much harder to go sit and watch TV with my griping girlfriend lol

[JC]

Strat games are addicting, I think you are falling down the rabbit hole.

[imwithdummy]

Originally posted by JC:

Strat games are addicting, I think you are falling down the rabbit hole. :wftohappy:

Absolutely lol
Hey because you seem so helpful I figured I'd ask you then start a whole other thread...you know those chests you come across here and there that are behind a gate? Like a gate just big enough to go around said chests? How do you get to the chests?

Edit:And never mind, finally found a lever for this one =P

[kirill-busidow]

Doing mid-saves is like cheating. You can keep reloading untill you hit 100% time and enemies miss 100% time (just keep doing different things, not same one).

[JC]

Originally posted by imwithdummy:

Originally posted by JC:

Strat games are addicting, I think you are falling down the rabbit hole.

Absolutely lol
Hey because you seem so helpful I figured I'd ask you then start a whole other thread...you know those chests you come across here and there that are behind a gate? Like a gate just big enough to go around said chests? How do you get to the chests?

Edit:And never mind, finally found a lever for this one =P

Yes, levers are hidden in the area, they are never that far away but can be hard to see. If you press your middle mouse button it highlights everything that you can click. It's a good way to find loot as well as sometimes the dungeons are dark and it can be hard to see.

The game really needs torches!