what happens if eyrie dynasty loses a roost?

[devxx]

i'll remove this once someone sets me straight but i ask this because in a game i was playing, an AI player removed (battled and won) 2 roosts from the birds (again, an AI) YET the birds VP total didn't change? roosts are their VP engine so i thought losing 2 should have reduced their total - but it didn't. i couldn't find the answer any where (i wonder why) so, please, someone clarify this. thanks!

[Sakarov]

Roosts are indeed the main VP engine for the Eyrie but that's not how it works.

At the end of Eyrie's turn, they score 0/1/2/3/4/4/5 VP if they have 1/2/3/4/5/6/7 roosts in play.

Their VP total only ever go down in case of a turmoil (failure to resolve decree). Destroying roosts will "only" make them win less VP on their next turn.

[devxx]

and thank you again! does any faction lose VP by having its structures destroyed? gardens, sympathy, trading post, etc,

[[FAUCᴇT] Psychopath]

Only the Eyrie can lose victory points specifically through turmoil. Losing a building only gives your opponent a point for removing it, and denies you the benefit of having it, some factions have some other penalties for losing specific buildings or tokens (alliance lose all matching supporters, lizards fear of the faithful, duchy price of failure, riverfolk trade disruption).

[devxx]

Only the Eyrie can lose victory points specifically through turmoil

that's what I wanted to know. i will refresh myself on those penalties you mentioned but it's stuff like the lizards losing a card when a garden is removed, not VP. thanks

--- i think the duchy pay too high a price too. wonder if that will ever be relaxed a tad.

[MarleyTown]

The duchy penalty is actually considered quite weak, the Moles are one of the strongest factions in the game and need policing even from an early stage in competitive settings

[Barraka Frite]

Originally posted by MarleyTown:

The duchy penalty is actually considered quite weak, the Moles are one of the strongest factions in the game and need policing even from an early stage in competitive settings

Ah, reading this comment after I just got moled mauled by the AI while playing duchy makes it feel even worse.