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But for this ♥♥♥♥ you can not say that it is frustrating since it does not break the gameplay
just patience and if you want to see the tutorial first you see it and then you put it into practice, if for example you want to see how to do an ollie nord (one foot) you press to see how you do backwards and you practice it but I already tell you that the tutorial it is very very basic it does not explain you almost nothing, on youtube you have thousands of tutorials friend do not fall behind ;)
Also, it has nothing to do with the gameplay. (I've been playing Session for more than 6 months. And with similar controls, it just breezes with fluidity when compared to this game... And the devs actually care about it, and they seem to listen to the customers).
Again, it has to do with me accessing the tutorial (just to take a peek on the grind/slide commands), and then NOT being able to exit the tutorial (it got stuck on the screen as I exited, with the game still functioning/rolling... If I paused again, the pause screen was "plastered" over the bugged tuto screen that's frozen to the right), and then I have to force quit the game, because it surprisingly lacks a quit option on the pause menu. Which IMO is just bizarre... And I remember these bugs present in a previous version that I played more than a year ago! I think those 2 alone were enough for steam to grant me a refund in 5 minutes.
How can I believe that the devs will be able to iron out these bugs until July, when they weren't able to iron it out in almost a year? Sorry, I can't believe in that...
take a moment to see how I do it without getting frustrated
https://streamable.com/dje5wu
If you have other types of errors (since this is an internal bug that they have to solve) I recommend that you install the beta and then check the cache of the game and beyond the aforementioned bug it should work well and you can view the tutorial as I did in the video. Luck!!
I already asked for a refund, and steam granted me one, most probably because:
- The game has a bug in which the tutorial doesn't disappear after you exit it (and again, it's a recurring bug that's been present in all the previous versions, from what I can tell). If you tell me there are tutorials on youtube, well, then the devs should remove the ingame tutorial, since it's bugged.
- The game lacks a quit to desktop button. So am I supposed to alt-tab and force quit the game every time I wanna exit it? Is this serious?
Also, am I supposed to mod the entire game for it to become at least functional? If it's to add more stages, fine... But everything else, it's the devs work, not mine. This is why we pay for the game. And from what I've read in the comments, it hasn't been touched by the devs in months.
So the release date is in July, and you're telling me to get the Beta? I'm sorry about asking this, but are you trolling? I mean, I got the Beta... a whole year ago!
What disappoints me most is that this game had a lot of potential back then. And the stages look really awesome. But it lacks the minimum of fluidity. You advocate for "physics". Take a look at a replay of a Tre Flip. The skate is already spinning before the skater even kicks it. This is the opposite: it's bad implemented physics on an engine (Unity) that is far from being ideal for this type of game.
Good luck to you too.
Man, I hear you. Session is nowhere near ready, but neither is this game. But Session feels miles away from XL in terms of gameplay. Session's gameplay feel CONSISTENT. This on the other hand feels so random. When all clicks, there are nice moments here, but... it just rarely clicks, unfortunately. Everything feels a bit off and wonky.
As a person who has worked over 10 years in game industry, I really, really can't see this game being in a state on July where it would be HONESTLY READY for v.1.0. Yeah, they can say, that "this is 1.0 now!", but it really isn't even near. At least in Session the core gameplay feels good and fun. So they mostly need to "just" iron out bugs and glitches and create content. But the XL... let me just say the companies I've worked at would NOT put this out on July (because it would flat out tarnish their reputation as devs).
Yeah I agree, I work in software development and would definitely not be happy to have the skater XL devs working at my place. I understand what they're trying to do with the game, and I bet it did take a lot of hard work and skill to reach the point it's at, but in terms of professionalism it's just terrible. They seriously released a game without a quit button, it's madness.
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Why early access?
“It's been 8 years since the last significant contribution to the skateboarding genre by a big publisher. As an indie, we chose to spend the last four perfecting the thing that really matters for a new big step in the genre - the gameplay and controls.
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How will the full version be different from the early access version?
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Sorry but what is everyone smoking to think Session is somehow more consistent and fluid than XL? In Session I can't do 5 tricks in a row without some physics bug hucking my character at the speed of sound in some random direction, or animation bug out(with board and character) making the already stiff and wonky animations look even more alpha.What exactly feels random to you? What feels off? I really wanna know becuase I just don't get it lol. In my experience, XL has been so smooth with very minimal bugs. The worst bugs I've seen is the wheels clipping through the ground on hard impacts and the grinds abruptly stopping at the end of ledges which are both new this update and not game breaking. They're simple (but time consuming) fixes so it's hardly an alarm for uncaring devs.
Session's controls to me are glorified Tony Hawk Pro Skater controls masked with dual analog sticks which leads them to be the messiest controls I could think of. The fact that you can do an input for a 360 flip, but fail to scoop the stick enough and the game registers a kickflip, is so clunky feeling. It's supposed to be a skate sim, why can't I under rotate my tre flip? It's like there's no animation for it or physics. They only spin slower (and completely), but never under/over rotate via spin or flip. Tricks are essentially translated from stick movements to "Left D-pad + Square" etc and assigned a speed. Even the spin controls are screwed up... you basically have an auto spin...seriously try to land 90 degrees to your momentum. It's super weird...the game auto spins you most of the time to perfectly land a 180. XL at least gives me the freedom to screw up my tricks in realistic ways and learn to compensate for such things like under/over rotations.
While we're on controls, XL made such impressive use of a controller to make skateboarding feel as authentic as possible. We use both analog sticks and the respective trigger to initiate a revert...while Session is stuck in the PS1 era still double tapping buttons to revert for you. Session just trivialized switch stance by only mirroring the stick input. If they're going for accessible, then fine that's all okay. But XL thought a lot about switch controls and pieced together that a nollie kickflip is actually the same footwork as a switch kickflip. Without mirroring the sticks, they essentially make you think of switch controls as if the controller were physically turned around 180 degrees. It's a really clever way of incorporating the real-life awkwardness of learning how to skate switch for the first time.
I can go on and on about the issues Session has given me. I could nit pick probably forever about all the little things Session does that drives me crazy from bugs to poor thought out decisions that hurt their claim as a sim. I've been skating for 20 years, and I can't begin to express how much better XL depicts skateboarding (mechanically). I do play with stats mod to make physics less floaty but you can bet XL 1.0 will include their own physics settings.
The final verdict IMO is that Session has been focusing on entirely all the wrong things first while XL devoted a ton of thought and work into making the "game" part of the game work and look fantastic. Yes there's no QoL things like menus, settings, customizations, or content but it's obviously coming soon. Can anyone say when Session will be polished and smooth to play? I can't see myself enjoying pretty New York street spots, walking off my board, and settings menus by themselves.
Sorry, but switch ISN'T nollie. There's this whole DIRECTION and ORIENTATION thing involved. Having the switch controls the same as nollie is stupid. The way session does it is better and doesn't "trivialize" it. It flips the controls so it's still unnatural to you and you are using swapped thumbs but the direction you press still correlates correctly to the direction on screen. Having to press UP and LEFT to make my foot go DOWN and flip RIGHT is just not correct. Maybe if you feel like you are rolling "backwards" in real life while switch then it makes sense to you, but you're not rolling backwards, and so these controls in SXL don't make sense.
Yes session controls do trivialize switch and nollie stances.There's nothing unnatural about it and there's no difficulty about swapping sticks. It's very logical to make the stick controls relative to the players perspective, but it doesn't create extra difficulty. Your thumbs don't need special balance to make inputs on a controller.
I didn't like XL's take on controls at first either and was saying the same exact things as you. As I played more XL I grew to appreciate the thought they put into them and now they just make way more sense as a skateboarding game than sessions.
XL's controls are just relative to the skater's perspective, not the players. It makes perfect sense.
Yeah the switch controls in skaterXL are counter intuitive. No amount of 'logical' explanation will get around this. Yeah, it's a skateboard sim, but it's still actually a computer game played with a handheld controller. And the switch controls just feel mirrored and confusing.
Counter intuitive is sort of the point, only it really is very intuitive once you understand the logic. Logic absolutely gets around it lol. Do you really think the devs just randomly chose arbitrary directions for switch inputs? It's not confusing at all once you get past the barrier of it being different from Session.
Turn the controller upside down when riding in switch and like magic.... they're the same exact stick movements as regular stance. You're too used to thinking that the game must have controls relative to the camera perspective, this is not the case in XL and it makes the game better for it BECAUSE it's a little bit awkward. XL feet don't magically swap sticks...your back foot (for regular stance) is always the right stick, and front foot is always the left stick.