This Game has no Balance

[Big M]

No Balance at all and CC Meta for 14 Months is boring dont talk of Skill Expression cause there is none in this Game and lock on abilities should be removed make every ability a skillshot

[[ARA] Panzergott]

Kinda agree kinda disagree. Most of the characters are good. Fun, skill shots, balanced. However theres some uh obvious offenders who got laughably "addressed" in the last patch in a non-way.

Gideon Ult is still insanely brain off broken scaling wise. His entire kit is fine except the ult. It does huge damage, huge CC, and large AOE. It should only do 2 of those 3. Right now it kills you far faster then it should. Still.

Khaimera STILL has a 70% pick rate and the second highest win rate. Lowering his Q scaling by 5% did litterally nothing and is a spit in the face. The fact the character has a point and click leap and essentially ZERO skill shots/expression is wild when hes such a strong pick.

Grux losing 10 base damage on one of his abilities while in the right direction makes zero difference to his performance. His kit is still insanely overloaded with CC and base damage/stats.

Narbash. AoE Healing. With constant uptime. Although I factor part of his winrate to the fact recommended/auto builds litterally never suggest antiheal and the average player doesnt build items outside of recommended. Which to the devs credit they did an amazing job with the reccommended builds.

Sparrow being the really the only carry with an actual attack stim makes little sense when most carries lack mobility. Its no coincidence that the only 2 carries with more then a 50% win rate have actual auto attack stims. The other being Drongo.

I dont get what you mean by a CC meta other then Grux existing in his balance state and Gideon's broken ult. I agree on the no skill expression part for the best characters at the moment. Grux can only be kited to eventual boredom because of his kit bloat. Khaimera takes zero thought as you face roll your keyboard. Gideon presses his ult button and wins a teamfight because 3 ticks of his ult does 70% of a squishies HP.

[Big M]

Originally posted by ARA Panzergott:

Kinda agree kinda disagree. Most of the characters are good. Fun, skill shots, balanced. However theres some uh obvious offenders who got laughably "addressed" in the last patch in a non-way.

Gideon Ult is still insanely brain off broken scaling wise. His entire kit is fine except the ult. It does huge damage, huge CC, and large AOE. It should only do 2 of those 3. Right now it kills you far faster then it should. Still.

Khaimera STILL has a 70% pick rate and the second highest win rate. Lowering his Q scaling by 5% did litterally nothing and is a spit in the face. The fact the character has a point and click leap and essentially ZERO skill shots/expression is wild when hes such a strong pick.

Grux losing 10 base damage on one of his abilities while in the right direction makes zero difference to his performance. His kit is still insanely overloaded with CC and base damage/stats.

Narbash. AoE Healing. With constant uptime. Although I factor part of his winrate to the fact recommended/auto builds litterally never suggest antiheal and the average player doesnt build items outside of recommended. Which to the devs credit they did an amazing job with the reccommended builds.

Sparrow being the really the only carry with an actual attack stim makes little sense when most carries lack mobility. Its no coincidence that the only 2 carries with more then a 50% win rate have actual auto attack stims. The other being Drongo.

I dont get what you mean by a CC meta other then Grux existing in his balance state and Gideon's broken ult. I agree on the no skill expression part for the best characters at the moment. Grux can only be kited to eventual boredom because of his kit bloat. Khaimera takes zero thought as you face roll your keyboard. Gideon presses his ult button and wins a teamfight because 3 ticks of his ult does 70% of a squishies HP.

CC is strong since beginning also blink killed a lot of balance from champs cause now some have more escapes and engages

[Nefser]

Originally posted by レイス:

CC is strong since beginning also blink killed a lot of balance from champs cause now some have more escapes and engages

Everyone having Blink doesn't affect balance, but it does affect strategy.

If no players had Blink, then players without any escape options would be SLAMMED regularly by jungle ganks, etc., as they jungle would know if they get close, it's a kill on a player in a good position to attack. Boom - over.

Blink allows everyone to have a chance at escape...but only sometimes, as 5 minutes is a long time to play after using it, to be able to avoid another 'bad' situation.

This is why jungles should feint-gank sometimes, just to force a blink and then go back to farming. It significantly reduces the other players tactics for 5 minutes, which may be enough to allow the lane player to perhaps get the edge on the player that used their Blink (as they are now being slightly more defensive/careful).

[KilluaWalker]

Tbh it kinda sounds like you dont like MOBA's. That's totally fine.

Games like these NEED to have easy to use Champs. It's already incredibly hard to be a new player in MOBA's. Removing flash and all point and click abilities would cause the game to be impossible to play for 85% of the gaming community.

[[ARA] Panzergott]

Originally posted by KilluaWalker:

Tbh it kinda sounds like you dont like MOBA's. That's totally fine.

Games like these NEED to have easy to use Champs. It's already incredibly hard to be a new player in MOBA's. Removing flash and all point and click abilities would cause the game to be impossible to play for 85% of the gaming community.

Khaimera is already for apes. Changing his leap into small AOE aimed leap instead of a point and click would make very little difference. If anything it be a buff since it could hit multiple people and even improve his already insane camp clearing.

But at least then people could actually ATTEMPT to counterplay him.

[Big M]

Originally posted by KilluaWalker:

Tbh it kinda sounds like you dont like MOBA's. That's totally fine.

Games like these NEED to have easy to use Champs. It's already incredibly hard to be a new player in MOBA's. Removing flash and all point and click abilities would cause the game to be impossible to play for 85% of the gaming community.

learn to aim thats what i also learned as new player no lock ons needed and i have over 1k hours

[KilluaWalker]

Originally posted by レイス:

Originally posted by KilluaWalker:

Tbh it kinda sounds like you dont like MOBA's. That's totally fine.

Games like these NEED to have easy to use Champs. It's already incredibly hard to be a new player in MOBA's. Removing flash and all point and click abilities would cause the game to be impossible to play for 85% of the gaming community.

learn to aim thats what i also learned as new player no lock ons needed and i have over 1k hours

Congrats, I'm glad you could! The problem is you are projecting your skill onto other people. I could be wrong but there is a reason why MOBA's that have a very high skill floor aren't really successful.

Champs like Garen or Warwick in LoL exist for good reasons. Same goes for Mercy and Lifeweaver in Overwatch.

[Big M]

It took me six months to learn to aim with mouse im pretty sure its not a skill its only practice, i hit 9 out of 10 snipes with wraith and 9 out 10 thunks with narb it was only a lot of practice trust me im only average everyone can do it

[[ARA] Panzergott]

Originally posted by KilluaWalker:

Originally posted by レイス:

learn to aim thats what i also learned as new player no lock ons needed and i have over 1k hours

Congrats, I'm glad you could! The problem is you are projecting your skill onto other people. I could be wrong but there is a reason why MOBA's that have a very high skill floor aren't really successful.

Champs like Garen or Warwick in LoL exist for good reasons. Same goes for Mercy and Lifeweaver in Overwatch.

The difference is Garen isnt the best champ in his role in the game. Except RARE metas. I agree starter characters should exist. They shouldnt have 70% pick rate with the second highest win rate and steam roll while multiple levels down.

WW actually has more skill expression then Khaimera. Timing bite to follow dashes/flashes, ulting properly with his passive and aiming said ult, biting through people and then poping the fear. Hes simple sure but you have to actually play the game.

Khaimera's only expression is his cleanse. Which is fun and rewarding but thats it. You just build whatever and roll.

[KilluaWalker]

Originally posted by ARA Panzergott:

Originally posted by KilluaWalker:

Congrats, I'm glad you could! The problem is you are projecting your skill onto other people. I could be wrong but there is a reason why MOBA's that have a very high skill floor aren't really successful.

Champs like Garen or Warwick in LoL exist for good reasons. Same goes for Mercy and Lifeweaver in Overwatch.

The difference is Garen isnt the best champ in his role in the game. Except RARE metas. I agree starter characters should exist. They shouldnt have 70% pick rate with the second highest win rate and steam roll while multiple levels down.

WW actually has more skill expression then Khaimera. Timing bite to follow dashes/flashes, ulting properly with his passive and aiming said ult, biting through people and then poping the fear. Hes simple sure but you have to actually play the game.

Khaimera's only expression is his cleanse. Which is fun and rewarding but thats it. You just build whatever and roll.

That's totally fair, I'm not commenting on whether a hero is balanced or not as I haven't played much. I just don't like the idea of significantly raising the skill floor. One of the reasons battlerite died (ontop of many) is because the skillfloor to play even the most noob friendly character was pretty demanding.

I also haven't played league much since WW got reworked, pre-work WW was stupid simple.

[[ARA] Panzergott]

Originally posted by KilluaWalker:

Originally posted by ARA Panzergott:

The difference is Garen isnt the best champ in his role in the game. Except RARE metas. I agree starter characters should exist. They shouldnt have 70% pick rate with the second highest win rate and steam roll while multiple levels down.

WW actually has more skill expression then Khaimera. Timing bite to follow dashes/flashes, ulting properly with his passive and aiming said ult, biting through people and then poping the fear. Hes simple sure but you have to actually play the game.

Khaimera's only expression is his cleanse. Which is fun and rewarding but thats it. You just build whatever and roll.

That's totally fair, I'm not commenting on whether a hero is balanced or not as I haven't played much. I just don't like the idea of significantly raising the skill floor. One of the reasons battlerite died (ontop of many) is because the skillfloor to play even the most noob friendly character was pretty demanding.

I also haven't played league much since WW got reworked, pre-work WW was stupid simple.

Yea I get it. Its kinda like recently how Malphite was the best Top laner in LoL for multiple patches. EVERYONE was complaining about him. Constantly. Because hes such a braindead simple character with almost ZERO counterplay. He wins lane by spamming his little rock throw thats point and click, leaves lane and wins team fights with his insane ult.

Here you have Khaimera and Grux winning every game by simplly having insanely bloated base numbers, Narbash for existing near his team, or Gideon for getting outplayed all game but to simply get 1 decent ult late game.

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skill issue i will leave it at that