Why defend Ryan Clayton?

[Lilothestitch16]

Why are some people defending Ryan Clayton? He’s really manipulative and abusive to Jodie Holmes. He abducted her from the only family that she had, and then he put her in a program where he lied to her about a democratically elected president named Gemaal Sheik Charrief and manipulated and forced her to kill him so that he and the CIA can use her powers for evil, and he also left her on the bed crying when they got intimate with each other. He is a bad boyfriend to Jodie. He doesn’t care about her. He even tried to do a plot wise emotional manipulation to try to make Jodie feel bad for him and justify all the terrible things that he did to her regularly. He’s a manipulative monster that doesn’t care about anyone but himself and he’s so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ irredeemable. I really wish Ryan Clayton died in Beyond Two Souls. Going alone, or with the Navajos, or with the Homeless people are the best endings in Beyond Two Souls. Going with Ryan Clayton is the worst ending ever.

[eggy ladd]

Just finished the game with Ryan. I agree with the president thing but on the others, he was just following orders. You don't question your superiors in military, especially in CIA. If it wasn't for him, someone else would take Jodie anyway so what is the difference? I dont recall Ryan leaving her alone crying or manipulating her, maybe you followed a different path than mine but I usually talked to him distantly until the very end. At the end, you can clearly see he loved Jodie, so I definitely disagree with the idea that he is using her or not caring about her etc.

[Lilothestitch16]

Originally posted by eggy ladd:

Just finished the game with Ryan. I agree with the president thing but on the others, he was just following orders. You don't question your superiors in military, especially in CIA. If it wasn't for him, someone else would take Jodie anyway so what is the difference? I dont recall Ryan leaving her alone crying or manipulating her, maybe you followed a different path than mine but I usually talked to him distantly until the very end. At the end, you can clearly see he loved Jodie, so I definitely disagree with the idea that he is using her or not caring about her etc.

That doesn't justify what he did to her.

[eggy ladd]

Originally posted by Lilothestitch:

Originally posted by eggy ladd:

Just finished the game with Ryan. I agree with the president thing but on the others, he was just following orders. You don't question your superiors in military, especially in CIA. If it wasn't for him, someone else would take Jodie anyway so what is the difference? I dont recall Ryan leaving her alone crying or manipulating her, maybe you followed a different path than mine but I usually talked to him distantly until the very end. At the end, you can clearly see he loved Jodie, so I definitely disagree with the idea that he is using her or not caring about her etc.

That doesn't justify what he did to her.

Yeap it does. He simply lied to her once because his superiors asked him to do. That is how it works in military, lol. It is not his fault that Jodie wasn't fully developed sentimentally.

[Lilothestitch16]

Originally posted by eggy ladd:

Originally posted by Lilothestitch:

That doesn't justify what he did to her.

Yeap it does. He simply lied to her once because his superiors asked him to do. That is how it works in military, lol. It is not his fault that Jodie wasn't fully developed sentimentally.

He had no right to lie to her. I honestly don't care if the CIA told him to, that is deadass wrong. He had no right to manipulate her like that.

[Enchanted]

I agree he is a complete douche and was insensitive to her. She was filled with guilt from killing a boy's father and constantly being lied to and used.

[Lilothestitch16]

Originally posted by EnchantedHeart:

I agree he is a complete douche and was insensitive to her. She was filled with guilt from killing a boy's father and constantly being lied to and used.

Exactly my point. I can't believe that some people are defending Ryan Clayton for that.

[Dethlane]

He's just typical kinda bayfak (if you played LiS you know what I mean). He's a patriot and bureaucrats' tool through and through. He loves his country, government and his orders more than anything/anyone else and he sees everything through pink glasses made by his corporate superiors, hence why he doesn't have a clue about why him manipulating Jodie is HELLA bad, betrays her trust and her feelings and immensely hurts her. TBH I was disappointed she didn't allow Aiden to off him when she found out (hell, whole game is about being pacifist, but at least it shows that it's GRAVELY bad).

Originally posted by eggy ladd:

If it wasn't for him, someone else would take Jodie anyway so what is the difference?

The difference is that Jodie trusted him and (maybe determinantly) had feelings for him (which, again maybe determinantly, Ryan showed to be mutual). If it was anyone else, Jodie probably wouldn't have taken just his word for it.

Originally posted by eggy ladd:

I dont recall Ryan leaving her alone crying or manipulating her

On their date Ryan leaves if Aiden makes too much fuss (shows how much he really wanted it, and remember that he asked Jodie out in the first place). And if Aiden does what Jodie asked him to and doesn't derail things and if Jodie was almost assaulted in the bar during her "emo/punk" phase, when she and Ryan continue to bed and almost get to sex, Jodie breaks it and cries because of her experience during said phase. And Ryan, instead of comforting her and not leaving her to deal with her inner demons alone, just leaves. As for manipulation - it's that president thing where he lied in Jodie's face and when she found out he didn't even apologize, just acted like he was right and she's the one transgressing.

Originally posted by eggy ladd:

At the end, you can clearly see he loved Jodie, so I definitely disagree with the idea that he is using her or not caring about her etc.

Clearly not nearly as much as he loved his government and his orders.

[Lilothestitch16]

Originally posted by Dethlane:

He's just typical kinda bayfak (if you played LiS you know what I mean). He's a patriot and bureaucrats' tool through and through. He loves his country, government and his orders more than anything/anyone else and he sees everything through pink glasses made by his corporate superiors, hence why he doesn't have a clue about why him manipulating Jodie is HELLA bad, betrays her trust and her feelings and immensely hurts her. TBH I was disappointed she didn't allow Aiden to off him when she found out (hell, whole game is about being pacifist, but at least it shows that it's GRAVELY bad).

I have played LiS and TWDG and Ryan Clayton reminds me of David Madsen from Life is Strange and Jane from Telltale’s The Walking Dead because they're manipulative and abusive people.

[eggy ladd]

Originally posted by Dethlane:

He's just typical kinda bayfak (if you played LiS you know what I mean). He's a patriot and bureaucrats' tool through and through. He loves his country, government and his orders more than anything/anyone else and he sees everything through pink glasses made by his corporate superiors, hence why he doesn't have a clue about why him manipulating Jodie is HELLA bad, betrays her trust and her feelings and immensely hurts her. TBH I was disappointed she didn't allow Aiden to off him when she found out (hell, whole game is about being pacifist, but at least it shows that it's GRAVELY bad).

Originally posted by eggy ladd:

If it wasn't for him, someone else would take Jodie anyway so what is the difference?

The difference is that Jodie trusted him and (maybe determinantly) had feelings for him (which, again maybe determinantly, Ryan showed to be mutual). If it was anyone else, Jodie probably wouldn't have taken just his word for it.

Originally posted by eggy ladd:

I dont recall Ryan leaving her alone crying or manipulating her

On their date Ryan leaves if Aiden makes too much fuss (shows how much he really wanted it, and remember that he asked Jodie out in the first place). And if Aiden does what Jodie asked him to and doesn't derail things and if Jodie was almost assaulted in the bar during her "emo/punk" phase, when she and Ryan continue to bed and almost get to sex, Jodie breaks it and cries because of her experience during said phase. And Ryan, instead of comforting her and not leaving her to deal with her inner demons alone, just leaves. As for manipulation - it's that president thing where he lied in Jodie's face and when she found out he didn't even apologize, just acted like he was right and she's the one transgressing.

Originally posted by eggy ladd:

At the end, you can clearly see he loved Jodie, so I definitely disagree with the idea that he is using her or not caring about her etc.

Clearly not nearly as much as he loved his government and his orders.

He is an army man, why would he love a random girl as much as his government and his orders? That doesn’t makes sense, lol. After they get along, he loves her and literally quits the job(last chapter). So I can’t see anything wrong with it. I wish we had the option to not make a fuss about that president thing, I really hated Jodie there for a moment.

[Dethlane]

Originally posted by eggy ladd:

He is an army man, why would he love a random girl as much as his government and his orders? That doesn’t makes sense, lol. After they get along, he loves her and literally quits the job(last chapter). So I can’t see anything wrong with it. I wish we had the option to not make a fuss about that president thing, I really hated Jodie there for a moment.

Not random, they've known each other for quite some time and during their date Ryan said that she's special (pretty much said that he has feelings for her). And then he treats her like a tool. If that isn't wrong, I dunno what is. Him getting more understanding later doesn't excuse this betrayal.
As for Jodie's reaction, look at what's happening from her position. She finds out that she is nothing but a tool (yet again) to not only CIA, but also to Ryan, whom she trusted (and, determinantly, with whom they were together). Her making a fuss about it is more than natural (I wish there was an option to at least choke Ryan). Actually, she should get a medal for just escaping and not hurting anyone (until despite her warning she was hunted, shot down and really pressed into retaliating).

[Lilothestitch16]

Originally posted by eggy ladd:

Originally posted by Dethlane:

He's just typical kinda bayfak (if you played LiS you know what I mean). He's a patriot and bureaucrats' tool through and through. He loves his country, government and his orders more than anything/anyone else and he sees everything through pink glasses made by his corporate superiors, hence why he doesn't have a clue about why him manipulating Jodie is HELLA bad, betrays her trust and her feelings and immensely hurts her. TBH I was disappointed she didn't allow Aiden to off him when she found out (hell, whole game is about being pacifist, but at least it shows that it's GRAVELY bad).


The difference is that Jodie trusted him and (maybe determinantly) had feelings for him (which, again maybe determinantly, Ryan showed to be mutual). If it was anyone else, Jodie probably wouldn't have taken just his word for it.


On their date Ryan leaves if Aiden makes too much fuss (shows how much he really wanted it, and remember that he asked Jodie out in the first place). And if Aiden does what Jodie asked him to and doesn't derail things and if Jodie was almost assaulted in the bar during her "emo/punk" phase, when she and Ryan continue to bed and almost get to sex, Jodie breaks it and cries because of her experience during said phase. And Ryan, instead of comforting her and not leaving her to deal with her inner demons alone, just leaves. As for manipulation - it's that president thing where he lied in Jodie's face and when she found out he didn't even apologize, just acted like he was right and she's the one transgressing.


Clearly not nearly as much as he loved his government and his orders.

He is an army man, why would he love a random girl as much as his government and his orders? That doesn’t makes sense, lol. After they get along, he loves her and literally quits the job(last chapter). So I can’t see anything wrong with it. I wish we had the option to not make a fuss about that president thing, I really hated Jodie there for a moment.

Why would you hate Jodie? She was taken advantage of.