High max qi golden core, how?

[Brontanius]

ive seen a bunch of guides/threads/comments etc saying that you should get a golden core cultivator with 1m qi for various purposes but no real explaination on how to do so. i know there is the inner cauldron and other meds to push pre core to 10-12k max, with perfect setup, for me this results in a t1 core with around 150ishk qi. Then there is sun pill and divine powder but they seem to only push it just a bit higher. Then ther is the rare item from shops for your element but again im still only around 300k at this point. How tf are you supposed to go to 1m?

[cowbell]

Spirit Seeds

[Rogue]

I doubt you read any guide... By following one of the basic guide stickied, you should get around 1 million Qi. Mid-game onwards... Gen2+ disciples.

I really don't know what to say as whatever I type is already in the guide. The only addition I can add is open the health detail tab, expand it to see medicine resistance. Then you can estimate how many elixir/pills/consumables you need to eat before it's useless.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2594780883

So you just eat enough Max qi boosting consumables till your resistance to it is around 90%, Earth flux, red ginseng, dragon flesh, etc during Core shaping stage. Just be careful of deadly ones like Wicked flux, as it lowers mental state as well.

Min-max version inners has close to 10 million Qi. And it requires Spirit seed and several days/weeks (depending on playtime) worth of real life time to get this super rare resource by buying it from the sect...

Anyway , here's a guide on Steam forum . https://docs.google.com/document/u/2/d/e/2PACX-1vQ7BV9Pyt4TVv56U7fVAJaPYQAvbHzRJ6uyX-mxbE8fPceI9yFd5pT6kuWfOan-5YmYOLBKMnAiia4C/pub#h.tddb1nth5bwj

Summary: Consumables, Manuals, Stats, Weather/Season, Equipped gear, Inner cauldron and a proper Qi gathering room. With Wudang dlc, they added more max qi stuff making it easier...

[Brontanius]

Originally posted by Rogue:

I doubt you read any guide... By following one of the basic guide stickied, you should get around 1 million Qi. Mid-game onwards... Gen2+ disciples.

I really don't know what to say as whatever I type is already in the guide. The only addition I can add is open the health detail tab, expand it to see medicine resistance. Then you can estimate how many elixir/pills/consumables you need to eat before it's useless.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2594780883

So you just eat enough Max qi boosting consumables till your resistance to it is around 90%, Earth flux, red ginseng, dragon flesh, etc during Core shaping stage. Just be careful of deadly ones like Wicked flux, as it lowers mental state as well.

Min-max version inners has close to 10 million Qi. And it requires Spirit seed and several days/weeks (depending on playtime) worth of real life time to get this super rare resource by buying it from the sect...

Anyway , here's a guide on Steam forum . https://docs.google.com/document/u/2/d/e/2PACX-1vQ7BV9Pyt4TVv56U7fVAJaPYQAvbHzRJ6uyX-mxbE8fPceI9yFd5pT6kuWfOan-5YmYOLBKMnAiia4C/pub#h.tddb1nth5bwj

Summary: Consumables, Manuals, Stats, Weather/Season, Equipped gear, Inner cauldron and a proper Qi gathering room. With Wudang dlc, they added more max qi stuff making it easier...

I had read guides but it seems they were either outdated or did not have as much information as the one you have linked. That being said, there is no real specifics for min maxing in that guide that i didn't already have knowledge of already.

For example manuals, it says learn all the max qi manuals except the bad one, without actually giving examples of the manuals or telling me which manual is the bad one. So in that case, there is also no comprehensive list of all the manuals as far as i could find so i have spent 2 hours using a mod to spawn in and document every beneficial pre gold core manual. All 500-510(not sure the exact number).

Another example is the qi bursting exploit, wasn't listed in the guide i had but there was mention in the one you linked so i learned something completely new that i had no idea of. At the same time, i found that the page i have listing qi-gather materials for example is heavily lacking and doesn't list anything about 90 gather, thus i had no clue chaos jades or ying yangs existed.

As you also stated about the health tab which shows medicinal resistances, no clue that existed either.

Thanks a lot for the help, now i have to figure out how to do it all in 80 days to survive the 4 yaoguai attack.

[Myth Alric]

Well the ones with negative side effects are obvious, like the one that makes your heart explode(actually I forget what it does exactly but it says it can damage your heart and gives you a permanent wound). You can cure pretty much everything in the game, so you actually can take all the negative stuff too, if you have the ability to fix the negatives.

Also some of the stuff you can do isn't possible without higher ranked characters, such as casting the highest level weather bonus for your specific person while they are creating their core. Also refining all the items before you eat them to have the highest bonus isn't really practical unless you have a higher ranking guy there to do it for you too.

Anyway I don't know how to get it to a million and that seems excessive. The photo someone posted had over a million but they were a demi god, not a golden core.

[Rogue]

Originally posted by Myth Alric:

Anyway I don't know how to get it to a million and that seems excessive. The photo someone posted had over a million but they were a demi god, not a golden core.

You need to learn to play. There is not much difference Qi from golden core to primordial spirit, think only around 3 more max qi manuals due to stage lock. That image is 1.36 million. You don't get 360k extra Qi just by going up one more stage. Ascending from primordial to Demi-god gives you nothing.

That image I posted earlier is from a char I made during mid-game long time ago. Don't have golden core at the moment. But I do have a late game character that's primordial spirit. You can see from the medicine resistance, I ate much more max Qi stuff. Key point, feed 'em till you can't... Better yet, feed em refined T12 stuff...
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2595649048

I didn't even go max crazy( inhumane real-life time prep needed like refining consumables to T12 and getting them ). just feed/refine whatever I hoarded over time. Golden core forming is the most important stage. For example I can still feed FENG SHUI char 2 or 3 more sun pills, crap ton of spirit seeds, etc. FYI, I think the game has a hard cap of 100 million max Qi so there's still a limit.

[Myth Alric]

Does that mean you gave your character a T12 sun pill before becoming golden core?

[FlippantSausage]

Originally posted by Myth Alric:

Does that mean you gave your character a T12 sun pill before becoming golden core?

Yeah you can do that, and have them survive. Its a real pain in the ass and you need some endgame level stuff to set it up tho, its something that makes you a real monster but by then youd almost expect it to given the investment you had to make.

But as to the OPs question, mainly you want to rush your first gen inners to get a primordial spirit level, to get access to the body remaking miracles that boost your stats, and grab Earth Fluxes and learn Spectral Refinement, build a hell gate to manufacture anguish gems, and have a properly set up cultivation room or rooms for your peeps laws.

Between a tier 12 Earth Flux, and assorted goodies you can easily find, and all the manuals for max qi and such, you should be able to do a t1 golden core at that point, if you do it in the right season and so on. The first gen guys can settle for whatever tier of gold core you manage with them, you can always rebirth and try again later if you wanna play that way.

Its a step by step thing, you have to think more long term. First you get a guy who can do body mod miracles so your disciples are of better base quality, then you get tier 1 gold cores, then you build for stupid amounts of qi.

[FlippantSausage]

Originally posted by Brontanius:

Thanks a lot for the help, now i have to figure out how to do it all in 80 days to survive the 4 yaoguai attack.

Unless you have pissed off the physical cultivators sect or done something seriously wrong, the dog should be able to win handily against anything the game throws at you. He shows up around day 60, in 20 days even randomly feeding him stuff without knowing what it does should let him handle just about anything.

[Brontanius]

Originally posted by FlippantSausage:

Originally posted by Brontanius:

Thanks a lot for the help, now i have to figure out how to do it all in 80 days to survive the 4 yaoguai attack.

Unless you have pissed off the physical cultivators sect or done something seriously wrong, the dog should be able to win handily against anything the game throws at you. He shows up around day 60, in 20 days even randomly feeding him stuff without knowing what it does should let him handle just about anything.

unfortunately thats not the case, i was trying to get the yaoguai raids achievement, in which 4 beasts appear at day 80 with between 300-800k qi and between 3-4 artifacts. All are primordial spirits. The achievement requires you to kill them not just survive them or i would just yeet my inner disciples out of there until they leave.

Either way, decided to do some tests outside of immortal difficulty to see just how far you can push a gc breakthrough. Every manual for max qi pre gc including reformed lifeblood(the bad one which needs a panacea pill), landscape reform manual to increase inner cauld limit, maxed out inner cauld, ganoderma/red ginseng/trimerious essence pill/earth fluxes and wicked fluxes all to t12 and 100% resistance and 4 t12 artifacts specialized in qi rec rate and max qi. All this together pushed a pre core person to around 45k max qi. This was on a disciple with i think 20/20 56 qi sense. Not sure how to push it higher to the point they can survive a t12 sun pill before golden core.

When using that talent in an end game cultivation room(qi bursted) with perfect conditions and a high quality qi barrier and artifact strength talisman(i think both were around 300%) the gc came out as a t1 with around 260k max qi. Then maxing out sun pill resistances with t12 pills, divine powder and spirit seed, The max qi is indeed around 1.5mil.

The only problems with this is that i cant do it legit within 80 days. Dont really want to cheat my way to achievements even if they are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ones.

This is a bit long but these are all the pre gc manuals that boost max qi/qi regen rate:

Revitalized physique/Pure yang positivity(-mental state/+max qi), Heavenly breathing(-lifespan/+max qi)/flying creak(inc qi recovery rate)/Cloudy confluence(+flat 1k maxqi)/way of the 9 provinces/lunar form/sky fire meridian/helios gaze/unity chant/doctrine of self nourishment/the compass doctrine/reabsorption chant/refined tonic/refined lifeblood(causes 25% smelting on your heart, heal with panacea pill)/elemental origins/waterfall flow/seven slaughtering form/aquamarine chant/Lesser lunar form/purified energies(inc qi sense by 5) and conditioning chant(according to the spawn mod, there are 4 different versions, but not sure of the differences in max qi, 1 of them has 10% stat gains, the other 3 have 5%)/Complete history of serica(inc int and qi sense)/divergent law(increase condemnation, increases prot by 5 and increases luck by 100%. Offset with insight fruit. There are also other versions with differences to what stat and ability it increases).

[FlippantSausage]

Originally posted by Brontanius:

Originally posted by FlippantSausage:

Unless you have pissed off the physical cultivators sect or done something seriously wrong, the dog should be able to win handily against anything the game throws at you. He shows up around day 60, in 20 days even randomly feeding him stuff without knowing what it does should let him handle just about anything.

unfortunately thats not the case, i was trying to get the yaoguai raids achievement, in which 4 beasts appear at day 80 with between 300-800k qi and between 3-4 artifacts. All are primordial spirits. The achievement requires you to kill them not just survive them or i would just yeet my inner disciples out of there until they leave.

That would have been a better question to ask in the first place, how to deal with that. You'd probably have gotten a different answer if people knew you wanted it for this specific reason, as opposed to a general how to question.

Not trying to be a smart aleck, but you are trying something fairly difficult that requires a fair bit of min\maxing of a couple disciples and pet, along with some luck, and trying to do it when you are pretty new to how the game works and in a timeframe that doesn't suit what you're trying to do the way you're trying to do it.

The best way I can think of to make the attempt is starting with a yaoguai and take Primordial Unity Body as your starting law. A fairly random physical cultivator made by someone who doesn't know how to use it will beat the pants off a primordial spirit normally. A min-maxed group of them should be able to do ok if they have the dog and (if you can manage it) sword shield for backup and with some micromanaging, tho you'll have your hands full making enough artifacts to put in the shield. At the very least training 3-4 physical cultivators to a level where they can take on a PS with a good amount of qi is easier and requires less specialized resources than doing the same with xiandao cultivators, especially if you can set up a good breathing room.

Maybe figuring out how formations work and setting up a good one for battle as well, but that kind of requires a whole other set of things to do, but formations are kind of for making a group of less than stellar cultivators able to fight the worst the world can toss at them.

[Myth Alric]

Originally posted by Brontanius:

Originally posted by FlippantSausage:

Unless you have pissed off the physical cultivators sect or done something seriously wrong, the dog should be able to win handily against anything the game throws at you. He shows up around day 60, in 20 days even randomly feeding him stuff without knowing what it does should let him handle just about anything.

unfortunately thats not the case, i was trying to get the yaoguai raids achievement, in which 4 beasts appear at day 80 with between 300-800k qi and between 3-4 artifacts. All are primordial spirits. The achievement requires you to kill them not just survive them or i would just yeet my inner disciples out of there until they leave.

Either way, decided to do some tests outside of immortal difficulty to see just how far you can push a gc breakthrough. Every manual for max qi pre gc including reformed lifeblood(the bad one which needs a panacea pill), landscape reform manual to increase inner cauld limit, maxed out inner cauld, ganoderma/red ginseng/trimerious essence pill/earth fluxes and wicked fluxes all to t12 and 100% resistance and 4 t12 artifacts specialized in qi rec rate and max qi. All this together pushed a pre core person to around 45k max qi. This was on a disciple with i think 20/20 56 qi sense. Not sure how to push it higher to the point they can survive a t12 sun pill before golden core.

When using that talent in an end game cultivation room(qi bursted) with perfect conditions and a high quality qi barrier and artifact strength talisman(i think both were around 300%) the gc came out as a t1 with around 260k max qi. Then maxing out sun pill resistances with t12 pills, divine powder and spirit seed, The max qi is indeed around 1.5mil.

The only problems with this is that i cant do it legit within 80 days. Dont really want to cheat my way to achievements even if they are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ones.

This is a bit long but these are all the pre gc manuals that boost max qi/qi regen rate:

Revitalized physique/Pure yang positivity(-mental state/+max qi), Heavenly breathing(-lifespan/+max qi)/flying creak(inc qi recovery rate)/Cloudy confluence(+flat 1k maxqi)/way of the 9 provinces/lunar form/sky fire meridian/helios gaze/unity chant/doctrine of self nourishment/the compass doctrine/reabsorption chant/refined tonic/refined lifeblood(causes 25% smelting on your heart, heal with panacea pill)/elemental origins/waterfall flow/seven slaughtering form/aquamarine chant/Lesser lunar form/purified energies(inc qi sense by 5) and conditioning chant(according to the spawn mod, there are 4 different versions, but not sure of the differences in max qi, 1 of them has 10% stat gains, the other 3 have 5%)/Complete history of serica(inc int and qi sense)/divergent law(increase condemnation, increases prot by 5 and increases luck by 100%. Offset with insight fruit. There are also other versions with differences to what stat and ability it increases).

Yeah that sounds a lot more reasonable and plausible than people claiming they got over a million qi mid game without taking things like the sun pill after becoming golden core.

As for taking a t12 sun pill before creating golden core, I believe that it might be possible but I feel you would probably have a lot more than a million qi if you did it.

Originally posted by Brontanius:

Maybe figuring out how formations work and setting up a good one for battle as well, but that kind of requires a whole other set of things to do, but formations are kind of for making a group of less than stellar cultivators able to fight the worst the world can toss at them.

That would be my suggestion. Generally it seems like the more qi you squeeze into a character the exponentially more work it takes to continue raising it. So getting 10 golden core(of any rank) is probably easier than getting a single max qi golden core.

[Mario, Lawyer in Black]

The only legit way to get that much that I know of is to use a snake yogurt or an awakened medicine, and have them eat sun pill pre GC. I think some of the responses are unfair to you. Now you know what to look for though.

Outside of those two, >20k qi pre GC is normal even on mediocre cultis after you get your midgame going. All the 150k stat boosters, T12 earth flux x2, T12wicked, 12 ganoderma, 12 red ginseng, purple junk pill, maybe some T12 eternity/bane pills for stats or heavensent talisman, [edit--added] 2T12 trimerous essence pills from the DLC. qi sense 20, all the max qi manuals (except heart smelting), cultivation branch, right season, right weather, manual qi boost, spring festival fireworks at night, a good cultivation room (4 spirit tree fruits or better, 8 r3 qi gathering materials and as many r4 as you can find), blessed sect bonus, timing correctly on the upswing of yinyang. No this won't get you 1M but it will get you to the place where you can then get the 1M.

[cowbell]

I thought the panacea pill cures heart smelting.

[Mario, Lawyer in Black]

Originally posted by cowbell:

I thought the panacea pill cures heart smelting.

It does, but IMHO those pills are costly in resources and the gain relatively small (I say that knowing that so much of this game is about the accumulation of small bonuses, so you take as many as possible, but the cost/benefit ratio is pretty bad on this one). I mean you can go that way if you want, or if the merchant or auction happens to be selling a bunch, but your energies are better spent on things like subspirit sets so you can actually use inner cauldrons, and doing the pre GC sun pill thing with raising a snake yao or an awakened pill, both of which require a lot of attention and time. But if you have the panacea pills around for cheap, yeah go for it.

[Brontanius]

Hmm im doing more testing atm and i don't see how someone could take a t12 sun pill before gc, it might be possible for a base sun pill though. Again, the max qi i've managed to get on a cheat character(i made their stats just reasonable enough that you could find it in game but not impossible levels) is around 45k pre gold core. I also do not know everything that increases max qi so i cant be too sure but sun pills seem a bit too much past base level. For reference, you can find the exact numbers on the qi overflow wiki page but for those not wanting to search, you need 76,923.08 max qi minimum to survive a base sun pill pre gold core. For a t12 one, you need 159,507.70 max qi.

Now that being said, i did find out surprisingly enough you can use a panacea pill to heal a qi overflow injury. So i think that if you are fast enough, you can feed them the sun pill and then feed them a panacea pill to save them but i have no clue at the moment if this works to increase the max qi of and save the life of a core shaping disciple. I only accidentally found this out after a yaoguai cultivator of mine went into a qi overflow but had the exact max qi to survive but not heal. Meaning they were in a perma glitched state of unconcious dying as they couldnt heal naturally but a panacea pill saved them.

Again this being said that i haven't gotten round to testing this or seeing its viability(if it works) on gc forming. Even with a kitted out pre core with 45k qi, endgame culti room setup and proper artifacts, a breakthrough to gc under ideal circumstances will take like 3-4 ingame days anyway because they have that much ability. If you really did boost it to insane levels, at that point i think the breakthrough will be kind of pointless as it could take entire seasons just to breakthrough if it got too high.