Yin Yang GoldenCore breakthrough start ?

[Normal Paradox]

Guides doesn't give the same answers so i'm asking you guys for intel :
Should i initiate the breakthrough when the Yin Yang ratio is 0 and going from - to + OR should i initiate the bkt when the Yin Yang is in the middle of the +++++ ?
In my last run i used the first solution and i lucked my first grade 2 GC that way but the "official" guide in this forum seems to disagree with that choice so i'm a bit lost.

[>]Dest[<]

depends on how much Qi you have. the more qi you have, the longer it is to do the breakthrough. If you have a lot qi, i suggest start when its rising.

if you have 2M gi, it wouldnt matter as it will last 2 seasons

[Strauss]

For me its depend on what stage you breakthrough.
Usually before last stage, its better start from ++ or +++ since the breakthrough quite fast so you will finished when its on ++++ or +++++.
But on the last stage or some certain law, its better start from -- or - since the breakthrough lasted 12 hours so you will finished in the ++++ or +++++.

[dimm_ddr]

Originally posted by Strauss:

For me its depend on what stage you breakthrough.
Usually before last stage, its better start from ++ or +++ since the breakthrough quite fast so you will finished when its on ++++ or +++++.
But on the last stage or some certain law, its better start from -- or - since the breakthrough lasted 12 hours so you will finished in the ++++ or +++++.

You should not aim to finish in top ying yang. As far as I know it does not matter when you finish, what matter is what you have on average. You should plan your GC breakthrough to have as much +s overall as possible not to end with the best ying yang.
So it depends on how much qi you have and what element it is. Element is important because night is shorter than the day so night elements should start earlier. And Earth, if I remember it right is even shorter since it have best ying yang between night and day. With mid game amount of qi I would aim to ++ for day element, + for night and probably even - for earth. For first few cultivators I think ++ or +++ should work good enough for everybody.

[Normal Paradox]

It's my first Gc for this run, she is a metal cultivator and has about 13500+ qi (still some ganoderma and ginseng to eat). I'll do her bkt in the end of winter hoping to get the good weather so should i start at the ascending + yin yang ?

[VoiD]

I was under the impression that the +++++ did not change, at all, after it starts.

For instance: If you hit yourself, meditate with spiritual breath chant to get your qi regen over 5k Qi/second and imediately start the GC breakthrough you'll be locked at 5k regen the entire time

[Normal Paradox]

@void whaaat ? i need to look at it ! Does anyone else have experimented the same thing ?

Edit : not working. The qi regen indeed stay the same but the result is the same if you don't use the breath chant so i think it's a bug.

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Normal Paradox:

@void whaaat ? i need to look at it ! Does anyone else have experimented the same thing ?

Edit : not working. The qi regen indeed stay the same but the result is the same if you don't use the breath chant so i think it's a bug.

From my tests it gave me a difference around 5% final core quality.
My off-season cultivator went from 214,208 quality to 223,582, both at the same day, time and starting at 145 mental
Edit: It was a regular human cultivator with 480qi/s and it went up to 2561 on spiritual breath chant, the cat I used earlier with over 5k regen I didn't test with and without.

[dimm_ddr]

Originally posted by VoiD:

Originally posted by Normal Paradox:

@void whaaat ? i need to look at it ! Does anyone else have experimented the same thing ?

Edit : not working. The qi regen indeed stay the same but the result is the same if you don't use the breath chant so i think it's a bug.

From my tests it gave me a difference around 5% final core quality.
My off-season cultivator went from 214,208 quality to 223,582, both at the same day, time and starting at 145 mental
Edit: It was a regular human cultivator with 480qi/s and it went up to 2561 on spiritual breath chant, the cat I used earlier with over 5k regen I didn't test with and without.

From my experience it is not really locked when you start the breakthrough. It is just that spiritual breath qi regen bonus applies with some delay. You can see it when you start it: cultivator would not get it immediately. And cultivator would not lose it immediately after you end his spiritual breath chant. Also easy to check: stop him from breathing before he will fill his qi and check how fast it will continue to filling after you move him somewhere. Obviously better qi regen will help with breakthrough but breakthrough itself has nothing to do with that effect. Actually you can see same effect with palm of absorption too: you will have qi regen bonus for some time after you drain qi from the item. Might be a bug, but it is pretty reliable bug at the moment.

[Normal Paradox]

I don't know, i got the exact same result with and without the Chant, but i'll try again.
You use the Chant where you'll breakthrough or somewhere else ?

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Normal Paradox:

I don't know, i got the exact same result with and without the Chant, but i'll try again.
You use the Chant where you'll breakthrough or somewhere else ?

same place yeah to cut time

[Normal Paradox]

Tested it again and again, results are the same with and without the Chant.
On the other end the time at which i start the bkt is relatively important, since it's a metal disciple and that the night is short i found it best to start it at -3 descending.
On my test subject it was a 32919qi vs 29867qi difference and 86363 quality core vs 71297 quality core difference for respectively Yin Yang -3 descending (the best) versus Yin Yang 5+ (the worst).
I think the chant stuff is just a bug, the visual qi regen just isn't refreshed when you bkt while using it but the true qi regen is. For info the visual qi regen was 43qi/sec without the chant and 252qi/sec with the chant, for the exact same result in the end.

@VoiD can you tell me exactly how you proceed with your Chant breakthrough ? I might be doing something different from you.

Ps : when i say -3 descending i mean that it is going toward 0, don't know if it's wrong phrasing or not, maybe i should use ascending math wise but whatever.

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Normal Paradox:

Tested it again and again, results are the same with and without the Chant.
On the other end the time at which i start the bkt is relatively important, since it's a metal disciple and that the night is short i found it best to start it at -3 descending.
On my test subject it was a 32919qi vs 29867qi difference and 86363 quality core vs 71297 quality core difference for respectively Yin Yang -3 descending (the best) versus Yin Yang 5+ (the worst).
I think the chant stuff is just a bug, the visual qi regen just isn't refreshed when you bkt while using it but the true qi regen is. For info the visual qi regen was 43qi/sec without the chant and 252qi/sec with the chant, for the exact same result in the end.

@VoiD can you tell me exactly how you proceed with your Chant breakthrough ? I might be doing something different from you.

Ps : when i say -3 descending i mean that it is going toward 0, don't know if it's wrong phrasing or not, maybe i should use ascending math wise but whatever.

Here you go, easier to show, I took the regen stuff and saved so no extra actions could have been taken, it's off season and all but it doesn't matter I think.

I tried doing it with the same character, at the same time of the day
https://youtu.be/7RriiN6EIS0

[Normal Paradox]

Well i don't know, we are basically doing the same thing but on my side i did not see any results. That said i'm doing it early game on Gen1 disciple and with much lower base qi regen and lower qi gathering material but still, 5% should be 5% whatever the base stats.