Is Immortal Trib9 difficulty something people with a basic understanding should attempt?

[VoiD]

After playing for about 700 days I get the basics on how to make some decent cultivarors, T1 cores, what items to get, how shendao and physical works, etc...

But i've never done crazy stuff like get anywhere near a pre GC sun pill or 1m power secret bodies

My issue was that the game was challenging to learn, but there was no challenge from the game itself, every attacker after I got some primordial spirits going would die to a single hit, but some of the options seem scare, I was only able to kill the dragon with a formation of 8 and 3 physical cultivators slapping it

[BrownianMotion]

You dont need to min max to that extreme, but be prepared for the yaoguai raids at day 90 and taiyi hunters at day 150. They are all at primordial level. 1m power secret body is actually pretty simple to get, physical is probably the best start for IX as they get strong very fast.

In my first game IX game, i save scummed the yaoguai raids to reroll them; what i noticed is that its around 4 yaoguai at primordial strength i think anywhere around 100-600k qi, some rerolling with 5 artifacts, etc.

Of course you dont have to beat them, you can just sent inner disciples out while the outers might get lucky and survive, but all your buildings will get smashed.

[Grandork]

Originally posted by BrownianMotion:

You dont need to min max to that extreme, but be prepared for the yaoguai raids at day 90 and taiyi hunters at day 150. They are all at primordial level. 1m power secret body is actually pretty simple to get, physical is probably the best start for IX as they get strong very fast.

First, the Yaoguai raids is day 80.

Second, 1m power secret body is NOT simple to get, not without save scumming the living hell out of it (or cheating for guarantee legendary). You will be able to get 300~500k easily though.

Originally posted by VoiD:

After playing for about 700 days I get the basics on how to make some decent cultivarors, T1 cores, what items to get, how shendao and physical works, etc...

But i've never done crazy stuff like get anywhere near a pre GC sun pill or 1m power secret bodies

My issue was that the game was challenging to learn, but there was no challenge from the game itself, every attacker after I got some primordial spirits going would die to a single hit, but some of the options seem scare, I was only able to kill the dragon with a formation of 8 and 3 physical cultivators slapping it

So, there are a few issues with Tribulation IX that you need to keep in mind:

Immortal has Iron Man Mode enabled and, as of now, there's no way to disable it. This means that, if you want to savescum, you are going to have to backup your save. The only way to save is also through auto save and quitting.

Enemies become HARDER over time. This is huge, because it also applies to Mythical Creatures/Sects. Just so you can get an idea, the Sages at day 300 have around 90M Qi and hit for around 2M. The Flood Dragon himself has 45M Qi (with around 95% damage reduction).

The day 80 Yaoguai Raid and the day 150 Taiyi Hunters is easy if you start with a Body Cultivator. As long as you have around 300k Attack Body, 2 100k Defense Body and 80%+ Dodge (you should aim for 95% though), nothing will ever threaten you.

The very first BIG hurdle is the Flood Dragon. If you make the room Highly Auspicious, it will allow you to contain the Dragon's wrath for way over 500 days, but because of "Enemies Grow Stronger" modifier, you really want to kill it on day 200 for Achievement or earlier if you don't care for it.

The easiest way by far to do it is with 3 Body Cults. They will just melt the poor beast. Keep in mind to fight him at 1x Speed, because the game doesn't really manage High Speed and Combat really well.

Another way to do it is by using Shendao Cultivators, but these are annoying as hell to maintain the whole Divinity stuff. You should easily be able to make a 4 Shendao Formation, each with 1.5M+ Qi and the Dragon won't be able to do anything to stop you.

If you are thinking of relying on Elemental Cultivators, don't. They are absolute garbage for a very long time. They only really start to shine once you are capable of really breaking the game with them and, on Tribulation IX, that takes a VERY long time.

Overall, Tribulation IX is only very hard until you kill Flood Dragon, then it's pretty much the same as a normal playthrough, except everything takes longer to do.

I will maybe make a guide on how to beat Tribulation IX eventually.

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Grandork:

Originally posted by BrownianMotion:

You dont need to min max to that extreme, but be prepared for the yaoguai raids at day 90 and taiyi hunters at day 150. They are all at primordial level. 1m power secret body is actually pretty simple to get, physical is probably the best start for IX as they get strong very fast.

First, the Yaoguai raids is day 80.

Second, 1m power secret body is NOT simple to get, not without save scumming the living hell out of it (or cheating for guarantee legendary). You will be able to get 300~500k easily though.

Originally posted by VoiD:

After playing for about 700 days I get the basics on how to make some decent cultivarors, T1 cores, what items to get, how shendao and physical works, etc...

But i've never done crazy stuff like get anywhere near a pre GC sun pill or 1m power secret bodies

My issue was that the game was challenging to learn, but there was no challenge from the game itself, every attacker after I got some primordial spirits going would die to a single hit, but some of the options seem scare, I was only able to kill the dragon with a formation of 8 and 3 physical cultivators slapping it

So, there are a few issues with Tribulation IX that you need to keep in mind:

Immortal has Iron Man Mode enabled and, as of now, there's no way to disable it. This means that, if you want to savescum, you are going to have to backup your save. The only way to save is also through auto save and quitting.

Enemies become HARDER over time. This is huge, because it also applies to Mythical Creatures/Sects. Just so you can get an idea, the Sages at day 300 have around 90M Qi and hit for around 2M. The Flood Dragon himself has 45M Qi (with around 95% damage reduction).

The day 80 Yaoguai Raid and the day 150 Taiyi Hunters is easy if you start with a Body Cultivator. As long as you have around 300k Attack Body, 2 100k Defense Body and 80%+ Dodge (you should aim for 95% though), nothing will ever threaten you.

The very first BIG hurdle is the Flood Dragon. If you make the room Highly Auspicious, it will allow you to contain the Dragon's wrath for way over 500 days, but because of "Enemies Grow Stronger" modifier, you really want to kill it on day 200 for Achievement or earlier if you don't care for it.

The easiest way by far to do it is with 3 Body Cults. They will just melt the poor beast. Keep in mind to fight him at 1x Speed, because the game doesn't really manage High Speed and Combat really well.

Another way to do it is by using Shendao Cultivators, but these are annoying as hell to maintain the whole Divinity stuff. You should easily be able to make a 4 Shendao Formation, each with 1.5M+ Qi and the Dragon won't be able to do anything to stop you.

If you are thinking of relying on Elemental Cultivators, don't. They are absolute garbage for a very long time. They only really start to shine once you are capable of really breaking the game with them and, on Tribulation IX, that takes a VERY long time.

Overall, Tribulation IX is only very hard until you kill Flood Dragon, then it's pretty much the same as a normal playthrough, except everything takes longer to do.

I will maybe make a guide on how to beat Tribulation IX eventually.

Wow, thanks, that's pretty specific and straight to the point, I'll give it a try knowing what to aim for

[BrownianMotion]

Originally posted by Grandork:

Second, 1m power secret body is NOT simple to get, not without save scumming the living hell out of it (or cheating for guarantee legendary). You will be able to get 300~500k easily though.

That is not true, you just need to optimize the labels on your secret body. Obviously pick a secret body with a bunch of bone body parts so you can stack +1k % Atk and Def from Ancestral Throwback. For atk, slap on all the other good atk labels like Ablaze Bone, Dragonesque Bone, Unhinged, Wild, etc. And obviously the correct ones for flesh.

There is also bumping the bones to 999 tempered which results in 1.5k base atk and 3k base def. Of course this will raise the qi consumption which you will have to offset by the labels on your organs: innate restoration, purple void breath, Yin-Yang rotation (Torch Dragon Essence), etc. Getting to 999 takes a while, its not hard but it is time consuming.

The legendary labels are hard to get, until you pwned the sect so you can buy a bunch of origins/impose fruits. But those don't actually improve that much more than the other epic ones especially if you optimize right.

Let say you are optimizing for atk for instance, the benefit from the legendary label is only the +500% atk and +150% Atk rate and w/e the special effect is (+5% global atk, +% global def etc.). The +100 to base atk is probably the other main benefit but you can also get those from the innate element label (which imo is also quite hard to get). And finally the +100% qi recovery is worthless because it doesn't actually work. None of the labels or parts actually provide any base qi recovery for this percentage to work off of.

So what i am saying is that you dont need to save scum for legendary, but you will either need to get high stacks of tempered or use various ancient beast essence for those labels. It's not easy, but nor is it anywhere as hard as pre gold core sun pill.

Edit:
On my Shadow Slayer Tail, i've only gotten about halfway to 999 tempered bone on the long tail, without any of the other legendary labels besides Ancestral and i've already reached 2 mil Def. That Secret body only has 2 bone part... and spine being limited to 100 tempered. If you do this on a Secret Body with 3+ bone part, you will definitely reach higher values.

[VoiD]

Originally posted by BrownianMotion:

Originally posted by Grandork:

Second, 1m power secret body is NOT simple to get, not without save scumming the living hell out of it (or cheating for guarantee legendary). You will be able to get 300~500k easily though.

That is not true, you just need to optimize the labels on your secret body. Obviously pick a secret body with a bunch of bone body parts so you can stack +1k % Atk and Def from Ancestral Throwback. For atk, slap on all the other good atk labels like Ablaze Bone, Dragonesque Bone, Unhinged, Wild, etc. And obviously the correct ones for flesh.

There is also bumping the bones to 999 tempered which results in 1.5k base atk and 3k base def. Of course this will raise the qi consumption which you will have to offset by the labels on your organs: innate restoration, purple void breath, Yin-Yang rotation (Torch Dragon Essence), etc. Getting to 999 takes a while, its not hard but it is time consuming.

The legendary labels are hard to get, until you pwned the sect so you can buy a bunch of origins/impose fruits. But those don't actually improve that much more than the other epic ones especially if you optimize right.

Let say you are optimizing for atk for instance, the benefit from the legendary label is only the +500% atk and +150% Atk rate and w/e the special effect is (+5% global atk, +% global def etc.). The +100 to base atk is probably the other main benefit but you can also get those from the innate element label (which imo is also quite hard to get). And finally the +100% qi recovery is worthless because it doesn't actually work. None of the labels or parts actually provide any base qi recovery for this percentage to work off of.

So what i am saying is that you dont need to save scum for legendary, but you will either need to get high stacks of tempered or use various ancient beast essence for those labels. It's not easy, but nor is it anywhere as hard as pre gold core sun pill.

Edit:
On my Shadow Slayer Tail, i've only gotten about halfway to 999 tempered bone on the long tail, without any of the other legendary labels besides Ancestral and i've already reached 2 mil Def. That Secret body only has 2 bone part... and spine being limited to 100 tempered. If you do this on a Secret Body with 3+ bone part, you will definitely reach higher values.

btw, is there a guide on surviving a sun pill before GC? Because I keep hearing about that but the max I ever got was 25k on a human after taking all the junk I could find at max refinement and learning everything, including the smelting heart thingy

[BrownianMotion]

The pre GC sun pill is part of the Sentient Spirit guide. You basically need a sentient medicine for their "No Medicine Resistance on first item" effect, so you can eat 2 grade 12 earth flux (because Earth flux gives a huge boost). The annoying part of that setup is filling the inner cauldron and getting 40+ stacks of rank 12 phoenix and dragon flesh, along with all the other rank 12 consumables.

Also, now that i am crafting rank 15 stuff, i wonder if rank 15 earth flux would be any better.

[VoiD]

Originally posted by BrownianMotion:

The pre GC sun pill is part of the Sentient Spirit guide. You basically need a sentient medicine for their "No Medicine Resistance on first item" effect, so you can eat 2 grade 12 earth flux (because Earth flux gives a huge boost). The annoying part of that setup is filling the inner cauldron and getting 40+ stacks of rank 12 phoenix and dragon flesh, along with all the other rank 12 consumables.

Also, now that i am crafting rank 15 stuff, i wonder if rank 15 earth flux would be any better.

Thanks, so a super OP yaoguai, for instance, can't reach that level?

[BrownianMotion]

Well depending on your shapeshifting tribulation timer, you probably wont have enough time to fill inner cauldron. The consumables can be prepared in advance. You will probably need to eat more evil flux and other harmful consumables. Or find some other way to boost max qi till it reaches 76k or something (i forget the exact numbers).

Although i guess you could rebirth them again after the shapeshifting tribulation (at least i think that works, but haven't tried myself). If you are going down that route, i would also cast that one miracle to revert age to 14 right before raising to inner (since potential drops due to age, and potential determines the size of cauldron).

[Grandork]

Originally posted by BrownianMotion:

Originally posted by Grandork:

Second, 1m power secret body is NOT simple to get, not without save scumming the living hell out of it (or cheating for guarantee legendary). You will be able to get 300~500k easily though.

That is not true, you just need to optimize the labels on your secret body. Obviously pick a secret body with a bunch of bone body parts so you can stack +1k % Atk and Def from Ancestral Throwback. For atk, slap on all the other good atk labels like Ablaze Bone, Dragonesque Bone, Unhinged, Wild, etc. And obviously the correct ones for flesh.

There is also bumping the bones to 999 tempered which results in 1.5k base atk and 3k base def. Of course this will raise the qi consumption which you will have to offset by the labels on your organs: innate restoration, purple void breath, Yin-Yang rotation (Torch Dragon Essence), etc. Getting to 999 takes a while, its not hard but it is time consuming.

The legendary labels are hard to get, until you pwned the sect so you can buy a bunch of origins/impose fruits. But those don't actually improve that much more than the other epic ones especially if you optimize right.

Let say you are optimizing for atk for instance, the benefit from the legendary label is only the +500% atk and +150% Atk rate and w/e the special effect is (+5% global atk, +% global def etc.). The +100 to base atk is probably the other main benefit but you can also get those from the innate element label (which imo is also quite hard to get). And finally the +100% qi recovery is worthless because it doesn't actually work. None of the labels or parts actually provide any base qi recovery for this percentage to work off of.

So what i am saying is that you dont need to save scum for legendary, but you will either need to get high stacks of tempered or use various ancient beast essence for those labels. It's not easy, but nor is it anywhere as hard as pre gold core sun pill.

Edit:
On my Shadow Slayer Tail, i've only gotten about halfway to 999 tempered bone on the long tail, without any of the other legendary labels besides Ancestral and i've already reached 2 mil Def. That Secret body only has 2 bone part... and spine being limited to 100 tempered. If you do this on a Secret Body with 3+ bone part, you will definitely reach higher values.

Sigh... Bro, I can't even... I say it's not easy to get 1m Attack Body and you come with "Well, my Ancestral Yaoguai Body can!". You do know that Ancestral Yaoguai Body is NOT an early game body type? You can start with Primordial. And inside Primordial, all you have is the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Mixed Element Arm.

In order to get Ancestral Yaoguai Body you need to Soul Inquire a Demon Temple dude.

Unless you are VERY lucky, you will only get Soul Inquire from the Paladin Quest, not only that, but Demon Temple takes a while to become available. You would NEVER have a Ancestral Yaoguai Body before day 80.

Please play Tribulation IX before you talk nonsense.

And yes, my Ancestral Yaoguai Body can easily reach millions of ATK with his Void Rupture Claw, that is because it has Base Attack of 10500 with a fully tempered body part, plus it has 8 parts (4 Flesh/4 Bones) to be able to get +% Attack.

Meanwhile, Mixed Element Arm has 5850 with 4 parts (2 Flesh/2 Bones) to be able to get +% Attack. That means it has only 1/4 of Void Rupture Claw's potential.

[BrownianMotion]

I was just using that as an example since it's one of my weakest body on the current physical
cult. If we look at Primordial, you would want to buff the Thundercatch hands since that one has 5 bones..

But you can still definitely do the same with Heavenly Shield legs or Mixed element arm. My example was only from me buffing one bone to around 500 tempered while the rest are at around 100-200 tempered.

Also you can get Soul Inquiry early without obtaining the guaranteed one from Paladin Quest. And this is not my first IX game.

[Ares]

How would I go about soul inquiring a deamon temple cultist without ruining my rep with them? Do I have to hope they attack me?

[BrownianMotion]

Since they are an evil sect, if your sect reputation is good that will cause random evil sects to attack you.

[Grandork]

Originally posted by BrownianMotion:

I was just using that as an example since it's one of my weakest body on the current physical
cult. If we look at Primordial, you would want to buff the Thundercatch hands since that one has 5 bones..

But you can still definitely do the same with Heavenly Shield legs or Mixed element arm. My example was only from me buffing one bone to around 500 tempered while the rest are at around 100-200 tempered.

Also you can get Soul Inquiry early without obtaining the guaranteed one from Paladin Quest. And this is not my first IX game.

In order to have Void Thundercatch Hands, you would have to go Human instead of Tiger.

Also, please stop spouting nonsense. There's literally no way you would be able to reach 1m attack with Mixed Elemental Arm. Also, Shield Legs? That's defense, not attack.

At a base attack of 5850, you would need 17000% increased attack (with no flat bonus) in order to reach 1m. Even if you min max it, without the legendary traits, you would barely reach 8000%, that means you would have less than 500k.

So, please, keep your nonsense to yourself.

[pipey]

Originally posted by Grandork:

Originally posted by BrownianMotion:

I was just using that as an example since it's one of my weakest body on the current physical
cult. If we look at Primordial, you would want to buff the Thundercatch hands since that one has 5 bones..

But you can still definitely do the same with Heavenly Shield legs or Mixed element arm. My example was only from me buffing one bone to around 500 tempered while the rest are at around 100-200 tempered.

Also you can get Soul Inquiry early without obtaining the guaranteed one from Paladin Quest. And this is not my first IX game.

In order to have Void Thundercatch Hands, you would have to go Human instead of Tiger.

Also, please stop spouting nonsense. There's literally no way you would be able to reach 1m attack with Mixed Elemental Arm. Also, Shield Legs? That's defense, not attack.

At a base attack of 5850, you would need 17000% increased attack (with no flat bonus) in order to reach 1m. Even if you min max it, without the legendary traits, you would barely reach 8000%, that means you would have less than 500k.

So, please, keep your nonsense to yourself.

Before you telling someone else is wrong prove it first, I do get 1M atk with Mixed Elemental Arm. Apart getting legendary labels or not, you need to actually continuously burn life with origin force. Tiger has 50% global atk + stance which can stack, you do get to 1M damage and more. That's not even including Windtamer body 10% global atk. If you talking about getting a turtle to 1M with Mix Elem Arm, what you say is legit, but apparently not so if we talking about the strongest yaogai.

So, please, keep your nonsense about someone's not-so-nonsense to yourself.

[destiny5554]

Originally posted by pipey:

Originally posted by Grandork:

In order to have Void Thundercatch Hands, you would have to go Human instead of Tiger.

Also, please stop spouting nonsense. There's literally no way you would be able to reach 1m attack with Mixed Elemental Arm. Also, Shield Legs? That's defense, not attack.

At a base attack of 5850, you would need 17000% increased attack (with no flat bonus) in order to reach 1m. Even if you min max it, without the legendary traits, you would barely reach 8000%, that means you would have less than 500k.

So, please, keep your nonsense to yourself.

Before you telling someone else is wrong prove it first, I do get 1M atk with Mixed Elemental Arm. Apart getting legendary labels or not, you need to actually continuously burn life with origin force. Tiger has 50% global atk + stance which can stack, you do get to 1M damage and more. That's not even including Windtamer body 10% global atk. If you talking about getting a turtle to 1M with Mix Elem Arm, what you say is legit, but apparently not so if we talking about the strongest yaogai.

So, please, keep your nonsense about someone's not-so-nonsense to yourself.

Can you post the pic of the 1m atk elemental arm so we can all check it out on how it was done