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Cliff.uckingBooth 29 Nov 2019 @ 2:34pm
Bad ending - Spoiler alert -
So I've finally finished the game. Gained full trust of all survivors, talked them into staying in the Resistance shelter thinking its the safest place. Also didn't steal the chip cause I felt that giving it to the scientist may have bad outcome. But looks like that might have helped actually. I don't know. I will try that next time. And on the third playthrough I will talk everybody into leaving the shelter I guess.
Well at least the puppy have survived... Boomer will live.
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Diposting pertama kali oleh Hunter:
I think it would be hilarious if the game just kept looping until you decided not to go back in time.

For the record, getting everyone to leave, giving the chip to Mack and not killing him, and going back in time is the "best" ending possible.

Actually, I think choosing NOT to go back in time is the best ending... but only if you did everything else perfectly.

The idea of going back in time is to "fix your mistakes", but if you did everyone's side quests, listened to the Stranger's advice and managed to save everyone, then there are no mistakes to fix.

If you choose to not travel back in time, you still see Jennifer and Patrick and Erin alive and well in the ending screens, and then there's an extra ending screen in which you see yourself (Jacob) meeting up with Jennifer and Patrick.

If you go back in time then you're sacrificing your own life, and your own chance of happiness. Skynet's defeated, the human race now gets to rebuild, but instead of living in this wonderful new world you miss out on all that and go back in time and sacrifice yourself.

If you previously screwed up and got your friends killed, it makes sense that you'd want to sacrifice yourself and go back to try to make things better and save their lives. But if you did things well and all your friends are alive, then why shouldn't you get to live a happy life in a world without Skynet? Have Jennifer as your girlfriend, raise Patrick like a father, and be a part of the new human civilisation?

Some might consider that a cowardly option... or a misunderstanding of time travel rules, and think you must travel back in time to ensure the time loop that leads to the victory of the Resistance... but that extra ending screen where you are reunited with Jennifer and Patrick means you don't need to worry about that. Because either...

1) John Connor sends a different Resistance fighter back in time, and he does just as good a job as Jacob. You never see the face of "The Stranger", so it's conceivable that he could be replaced with someone else (rather than a version of yourself) and things still turn out OK. Someone needs to go back time to give those important instructions, but it doesn't have to be Jacob.

2) Alternatively, it could be that whenever anyone time travels and succeeds in changing something, it creates a new parallel universe. So whoever John sends back could do a good job, or they might do a terrible job... but it wouldn't matter to the Jacob and Jennifer and Patrick who are currently alive in this timeline, they still live out their lives in the post-apocalyptic future after Skynet, but there's also a new timeline - a new universe - in which things play out differently.

You could argue that Jacob should go back because "that Stranger was you", and therefore you need to go back in time to complete the loop and prevent a paradox, the same way that Kyle Reese HAS to go back in order to protect Sarah and become John's father... but I'm not sure that's actually a problem in the Terminator universe.

In Terminator 1 it seems like everything is an unchangeable time loop, where Skynet's attempt to terminate the mother of its greatest enemy is what leads to John being conceived in the first place. And then in Terminator 2 it turns out that Skynet was built using a chip from the Terminator, so Skynet was also accidentally responsible for its own creation as well.

But there's also the message "There is no fate but what we make for ourselves", which is proven true when at the end of Terminator 2 John and Sarah blow up Cyberdyne, preventing the apocalyptic future. That means young John Connor becomes the teenager who saved humanity in 1995, instead of the great military leader who saved humanity in 2029. Since there's no Skynet, time travel is never invented, and John never sends Kyle Reese back in time to become his father.

By preventing the creation of Skynet, John and Sarah break the time loop, which should erase everything we saw in both movies. Despite this time paradox, at the end of Terminator 2 we don't see teenage John Connor fade away like Back to the Future.

After Cyberdyne is blown up, John Connor, the T-1000 and the friendly T-800 all still exist, despite the timeline being altered in a way that would prevent John's birth or the construction of any Terminators. Similarly, in Terminator Resistance Jacob Rivers can choose to not go back in time to save his own younger self's life, and that doesn't endanger Jacob's existence, he and Jennifer and Patrick still exist and get to live happy lives despite the disruption to causality.

This is actually brought up as a plot point in Terminator Genisys - John Connor gets corrupted by Skynet and turns evil, and he tries to kill his own parents. They say "You can't kill us, you'll never exist!" and he replies "We're all temporal orphans from a timeline that no longer exists."

Similarly, in the new film Terminator Dark Fate, John Connor gets killed by a Terminator left over from the old timeline, even though Skynet no longer exists. Lots of fans hated that and thought that was a terrible decision, but it does stay true to the time travel rules of Terminator 2: if you change the past you don't delete your own existence, instead you spend the rest of your days living in a new reality.

So, according to those rules, the only thing Jacob would accomplish by going back in time and then trying to do things differently is that he would create a parallel universe / alternate timeline. If the timeline you came from was rubbish and everyone got killed, then maybe that's worth it, maybe you're willing to give up your life to create a new, better world, which exists parallel to the crap timeline you came from. But if the timeline you are in is pretty decent and all your friends are alive, why sacrifice yourself to create another universe? Just live in this one!
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Valden21 24 Sep 2024 @ 4:25pm 
Diposting pertama kali oleh Wandering Huwhite:
In case anyone's wondering why I didn't take the CPU it's because I didn't trust Mack. Between Baron saying he sabotaged missions and him messing me around when we first met I didn't even give him the chance to explain himself after he was finished working on the gun.

I also didn't fully trust the stranger since they weren't being very transparent. Given the threat of infiltrators I don't know why they wouldn't just tell you exactly why everyone needs to leave. In a war there's a big difference between saying "everyone will die" and "everyone will die because I'm you from the future and it already happened". I get that it's a game so they had to do it that way but it's still weird. He essentially went back in time to be vague and unspecific.
Baron doesn't trust Dr. Mack, but then, she doesn't fully trust ANYBODY, so that's not a good endorsement of her ability to judge others. Her distrust of him is based on one specific event, and she only saw the result of the event. She doesn't know the full story behind that one event. You learn that full story when you talk to Dr. Mack, and John confirms his story later on. The Resistance NEEDS Dr. Mack; nobody else understands Skynet and its tech quite like him. Without that reprogrammed CPU, which only he can accomplish, no "Uncle Bob".

As for The Stranger, there's a reason he's vague, as you learn later on at the very end of the game. Considering the heavy use of time-travel in the franchise, and taking into account that he's Rivers from the future, you can't really blame him for being vague. For him to explain who he is would be a violation of the first rule of time-travel, and violating those rules is never a smart idea.
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< blank > 24 Sep 2024 @ 5:44pm 
Diposting pertama kali oleh Valden21:
Baron doesn't trust Dr. Mack, but then, she doesn't fully trust ANYBODY, so that's not a good endorsement of her ability to judge others. Her distrust of him is based on one specific event, and she only saw the result of the event. She doesn't know the full story behind that one event. You learn that full story when you talk to Dr. Mack, and John confirms his story later on. The Resistance NEEDS Dr. Mack; nobody else understands Skynet and its tech quite like him. Without that reprogrammed CPU, which only he can accomplish, no "Uncle Bob".

As for The Stranger, there's a reason he's vague, as you learn later on at the very end of the game. Considering the heavy use of time-travel in the franchise, and taking into account that he's Rivers from the future, you can't really blame him for being vague. For him to explain who he is would be a violation of the first rule of time-travel, and violating those rules is never a smart idea.

Well 50% of the judgement was mine because of how annoying and sketchy he was, and I would've heard him out if it wasn't for the other accusations about him being a traitor. It was a mistake to kill him and I felt pretty stupid when I re-played it and got his side of things. The resistance managed to reprogram other terminators so I think they could've figured it out themselves eventually. He was forwarding his research to Connor and his lab and research remained intact, as far as I know.

I'm not familiar with the agreed upon rules of time-travel (in Terminator or other fiction) but surely he would've had enough wiggle room to do more than he did. That's really my only gripe with the story, though I really liked it overall so I don't want to get super nit-picky about it. It is after all only a game so the character needed to be written a certain way. Hopefully there are more games made like this in the future. If there are, don't tell me I want it to be a surprise.
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Frosty007R 27 Jan @ 12:31pm 
Diposting pertama kali oleh Cliff.uckingBooth:
Yea :) But no mention about him in last cutscene. But Baron may actually survive as well cause the body haven't been found. When I found the bodies of Jennifer and Patrick it hit me hard :( Especially after I found that puppy cause that felt like a hint that at least Patrick might survive but nope... Also since I haven't got the chip Conor have to find another way how to protect himself against the T-1000. Damn I need to start again and choose better next time :D

There is no need to restart all over again;

Simply reload the game at the resistance shelter before RACE AGAINST TIME or somesuch Chapter.

I saved Jennifer, Patrick and Poochie that way...thinking of not going back in time. Why?

Because in the ending battle, all the skynet 'Bots became inert.

In the first playthrough I convinced all to stay and they died.

Not this time. There has to be something to LIVE FOR. 🥰🥰🥰
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Frosty007R 27 Jan @ 1:18pm 
Diposting pertama kali oleh Frosty007R:
Diposting pertama kali oleh Cliff.uckingBooth:
Yea :) But no mention about him in last cutscene. But Baron may actually survive as well cause the body haven't been found. When I found the bodies of Jennifer and Patrick it hit me hard :( Especially after I found that puppy cause that felt like a hint that at least Patrick might survive but nope... Also since I haven't got the chip Conor have to find another way how to protect himself against the T-1000. Damn I need to start again and choose better next time :D

There is no need to restart all over again;

Simply reload the game at the resistance shelter before RACE AGAINST TIME or somesuch Chapter.

I saved Jennifer, Patrick and Poochie that way...thinking of not going back in time. Why?

Because in the ending battle, all the skynet 'Bots became inert.

In the first playthrough I convinced all to stay and they died.

Not this time. There has to be something to LIVE FOR. 🥰🥰🥰

Yes, there's a nice surprise at the end... I chose not to go back... lovely. Be glad with what you have now. The proverbial bird in the hand. 🥰🥰🥰
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spectre199 7 Feb @ 1:37pm 
To me the ending where the player stays behind and reunites with Jennifer is the best ending for the player. Why because the player character gets a happy ending and someone else can go back in time instead of him.

The player character deserves a happy ending with Jennifer.
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