too hard as survivor?

[King]

it is just me or the game becomes extremely hard as survivor?

[Deathraven13]

My friends who play in full squad says that the game is still as easy as ever, In fact with a certain Martin and January build they manage to breeze through most MM. They are half happy about this update because they want a challenge but they got some new skills, I'm half happy about this update because we got some new stuff as MM and Alex is now viable but survivors can be so strong now if they have a brain.

One thing they do like is MM that use the glitched ultimate mod that way they don't sleep too much in-game, they think it's balanced because MM is not in the camera doing stuff wich is one reason why I don't even use that mod, I mean playing Mr.X the whole match sounds fun but they can down him in like 5 seconds, I could play Birkin but since he is not that strong compared to my build I only use him as my last resort plan even tho if you have a build that focus on your ultimate it could be interesting but then survivors can just kill you, I mean right now my friends play Martin, Jan, Tyronne and Becca, they don't need Val because they will probably use a spray once at worse, Becca is here to melt Bio weapons and ultimates, Tyronne is here to lead the way, Jan and Martin are here to hinder MM and Jan is also the healer.

So is the game hard for survivors ? Nope, good survivors just laugh at MM right now, like they taunted a Spencer because they tricked him into using his ultimate when Jan was a bit behind and so he downed 3 of them and Jan used a spray and BOOM he got baited, outsmarted the MM.

Now if you play with randoms well it's as usual: Playing survivors is a team game, if you play with randoms you can't expect the devs to balance it just like you can't expect Riot to balance league of legends for random teams, sadly most survivors play with randoms and they'll tell you stuff like "OMG MM is strong since launch" and will cry about everything even when Valerie could throw like 20 molotov per match and Jan could buy +1000 ammo in a match, you can't really coordinate with randoms, I'll use league of legends again: If you fight a premade team with randoms you'll have a bad coordination because your team will pick whatever characters they'll want to play and your opponents will pick characters that have a good coordination, WOMBO COMBO style and you'll lose. Actualy such thing happened yesterday and I have it on record: I played Alex and like 2-3 time survivors didn't had a Valerie and once they had no Valerie and no Jan wich mean that they lost right from the start because of infection. So play with people instead of playing with randoms and you'll see how easy the game can be, or you can be like some other survivors and cry all the time on this forum because nobody want to play with them so MM stomp them because they have no team coordination (or maybe they are a deadweigh to the team who knows).

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In PvP games most players play alone, not in premade, so games are balanced in this way or they loose all their player base, except in this one because many MM like to cry if they can't have their 100% winrate. As I said few weeks ago, the mentality of killers in asymetrical games is trash, i never see that before I begin to play those type of game 4 years ago.

Any PvP game when you play in premade it will be easy, asymetrical or not, PvP or PvE. It's always like this, nothing new.

So it's not about to be good or bad, but if in your team you have low rank players or dumb players you will loose whatever you try to save the match. The game is actually unbalanced for survivors side since the release of Nicholaï. That's why there are more MM than survivors in game.

It's not my first asymetrical game and certainly not my last. In every asymetrical game when they try to make the killer side too powerfull the player base of survivors side left it and never come back. If they don't change that quickly this game will die in few weeks like others.

And I really love this game, I know and play it since the beta, in October, so I hope they will fix this matter soon and not when it will be too late...

[HelenaEX2]

Moogal™ の投稿を引用：

I lost 2 games today in stage 1. The 3d game it would not recognize my mouse. Useless game.

That can be solved if you open and close the steam board, it happend me a lot of times cause im writting like now while im playing.

[Deathraven13]

Thirteen の投稿を引用：

In PvP games most players play alone, not in premade

Thirteen の投稿を引用：

but if in your team you have low rank players or dumb players you will loose whatever you try to save the match.

That's why pro team players are premades and not full random ;)

Do note that devs can't balance the game for randoms, what can they do if one survivor troll or if he doesn't play well ? Nothing, but you can prevent that by playing with a full team, if you don't want to play with a team then don't blame MM if he stomp you instead blame yourself for playing with randoms because at this point blaming MM for winning because your team is bad shows that you should stick to PvE games.

About devs patching things for randoms and not pro players: That's wrong, most PvP devs see what the pro players play and what is the meta and change accordingly because the majority of players will follow the meta, meta made by pro players, if you don't believe me then I'll give some exemple for this game:
- Mod recycler Spencer build, when people used it devs started to freak out because it was really really strong and it was the meta for Spencer so they nerfed it (hard) but that build was here for quite some time it got nerfed when it was popular because even SWAT team would die to that. Same goes for Terminal Spencer.
- Alex mine stacking was extremely good even against full premade teams so they nerfed it, same for instant mine Alex because a full premade team couldn't do a thing about it.

I have more exemple but you got my point (I hope) so the devs don't focus around randoms they focus about the top players and what is meta, Valerie Molotov spam was the meta and they nerfed it even when you could carry some randoms with such build so how come that they have nerfed it ? Because it was the meta and made premades quite strong, a random team could still be destroyed but a SWAT team not really, if you still don't believe me then how come that they have nerfed the equipment that reduce the shop ? I mean that would help the randoms right ? Well full premade team were almost impossible to win against because they can coordinate so well against a creature build and a gun build.

In conclusion: Most devs in PvP don't patch stuff around the casuals but more around the top % players because the majority of players will follow what the top % players will do, most survivors here watch a guide on youtube and copy past it (MM too) but if you make your build and it's not very popular devs won't do something about it because it's too random for them, finaly do you know why devs nerf MM a lot ? Because MM have two things: They are alone so they coordinate well and they make the game, when you nerf a MM you buff the survivors, when you nerf a survivors you don't buff MM because the other 3 players can carry you while as a MM you are alone, so if they nerf Spencer and they nerf Sam and both are in a match overall the Survivors are buffed and Spencer as been nerfed.

Yes it's not hard to understand but you need to think about it wich most main survivors don't do because all they want is to shoot creatures while main MM have to think about how to win, what's viable and not, what is the weakness and strength of MM and what can they do if they fight this specific group, because survivors can have a different strengths and weaknesses but MM are predictable like Daniel will control creatures so survivors can plan against that, same for Nikolai who will use cams wich mean a full premade team can plan against all of this and win because they counter all MM in all situations while MM doesn't have this luxury unless it's a random team. So here you go you have learned a lot of things today, don't worry it's free but that's all I'll be teaching you today ;)

[Stryix "Midnight" Oshiga]

it's kindda funny that this game always seems to tip back and forth from favoring survivor and then back to MM's, but hey it is what it is i guess...

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Adding a little information: casual players are far more several than hardcore gamers (only around 5% in player base whatever the game). Casual also bring more money than hardcore gamers, because there are more than of them, and also they don't have time to pass in video games generally, so they want to have the similar stuff than high leveling player without spending so many times in games, so they will pay more easily to reach the goal than hardcore gamer
which passed their entire time in games.
That's why in any games MMO RPG or PVP asymetrical or not the game is always balanced for casual, and leveling and ranking are generally for separate the low ranking to be matched with high ranking to avoid the unbalance. With a low player base it's impossible to separate low leveling with high ranking.

Also even Capom and Neoboards said in interview that they will always try to balance the game for casual not high level, like in all others games.

[Alesandros]

҈ の投稿を引用：

Its only you. Survivors are autowin on this game. After the new update now have 50/50 but still getting more easy play as survivor than MM

[Cait_Blackcat]

Raumtz の投稿を引用：

it is just me or the game becomes extremely hard as survivor?

Dont use MUP XD

[Deathraven13]

BLACKCAT の投稿を引用：

Raumtz の投稿を引用：

it is just me or the game becomes extremely hard as survivor?

Dont use MUP XD

Yeah I don't know why but I see a lot if people using the MUP, because because they didn't get the quickdraw or something......... so sometimes I get a free win in area 1 because they use the MUP, I mean can't survivors think and see that if you lose in area 1 you won't get to buy your desired weapon in area 2 ?

[Ambulance]

Imo, this game should be hard to play as a survivor if you play alone.
It is meant to be played as a team and I believe you can't make up strategies if you don't communicate with your teammates. It just makes sense to me that you can't play a team game alone ?

If survivors used to win without communicating it's a solid proof that the game was broken, MMs is not " broken, buffed " the game is more balanced now and we're meant to struggle if everyone play on its own !

[Deathraven13]

Kzitel の投稿を引用：

Imo, this game should be hard to play as a survivor if you play alone.
It is meant to be played as a team and I believe you can't make up strategies if you don't communicate with your teammates. It just makes sense to me that you can't play a team game alone ?

If survivors used to win without communicating it's a solid proof that the game was broken, MMs is not " broken, buffed " the game is more balanced now and we're meant to struggle if everyone play on its own !

Well aside a glitched card it's ok, people who do play in team are pretty strong right now tho. Those who play with randoms are usualy bad anyway so whatever let them cry.

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Few players need their friends to carry them. I saw that many times. When they are alone they are so bad it's ridiculous how they manage even to play in team.
And many of them trust that they are so good, no sorry, for most of you, you aren't, but your teammate are certainly, and playing in premade carry 90% of the match.
So, teamplay is powerfull whatever your experience,the real challenge is to know how to play alone with pick up, and it reveals your real leveling.

[KOS-MOS]

seouilms の投稿を引用：

yep, survivor side is dead

It never been survivor side to begin with. xD

[Auténtico del Líbano]

Serra の投稿を引用：

Брат の投稿を引用：

It really depends. I normally ignore cameras if I didn't get the matilda to start with. Best strategy is to out run them while someone with a matilda deals with it.

I have seen some survivors get too cocky by getting too close to the bio-weapon or try picking up supplies from the supply zombie while the bio-weapon is lurking nearby. Some even have the audacity to try and pick up survivors (without sprays + not fast) while the bio-weapon is clearly trying to guard the downs.

Game is only hard if you have 1 asshat on your team that does everything they can to get bitten + downed + run into traps + guns or even go alone WITHOUT throwables to save themselves from being downed. The worst is when they don't head to the exit with the entire team after all the keys or objectives are done and they end up wasting lots of time for staying too long in a crowded room by either looking for stuff to pickup or wanting to get the time by taking out every single zombie or trap or camera (then die/use up the team's resources)

I still remember times where newbie players will use Jill's crappy pistol more often than her passive skill of avoiding bites against a horde of zombies.

sry to say that but in 95% of games i dont die, but i see all others die more than 3-5 times im mean WTF ? i really need a team :(

yea 95 % of the game you go to moon and fly hahaha come man dont die dont mean you are doing a good job can be just because u stay on the back always taking low risk?

[Banana]

MiNiYiYi の投稿を引用：

Serra の投稿を引用：

sry to say that but in 95% of games i dont die, but i see all others die more than 3-5 times im mean WTF ? i really need a team :(

yea 95 % of the game you go to moon and fly hahaha come man dont die dont mean you are doing a good job can be just because u stay on the back always taking low risk?

95% no die means never take risk. Never go front line.
Its impossible player not die in game - even those very good one.