How to make France leave EEC?

[Targyisplaying]

I got Marchais elected as president of France but in the "Red Turn" event I can't convince him to leave NATO and EEC, despite China being part of CMEA, which should make France's exit of NATO and EEC guaranteed according to the event guide. What am I doing wrong?

[Typical_Name]

On the event called something like "French Red Turn", did you select the second option, encouraging Marchais to establish contacts with the CMEA?

[Targyisplaying]

Originally posted by Typical_Name:

On the event called something like "French Red Turn", did you select the second option, encouraging Marchais to establish contacts with the CMEA?

That's exactly what I did, and everytime I did it said that the plan to leave the EEC and the IMF failed and Chirac became Prime Minister.

[Typical_Name]

Well, that's weird. I'm not sure what the conditions for success are - have you gotten the other countries to leave NATO/EEC? (Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece, Turkey)

[Targyisplaying]

Originally posted by Typical_Name:

Well, that's weird. I'm not sure what the conditions for success are - have you gotten the other countries to leave NATO/EEC? (Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece, Turkey)

Normally I can get Greece, Portugal and Spain out of NATO easily. Italy is a bit harder to do, and I never can get Turkey out bcs I can't even fund any side prior to the coup.

[Typical_Name]

Originally posted by Targyisplaying:

Originally posted by Typical_Name:

Well, that's weird. I'm not sure what the conditions for success are - have you gotten the other countries to leave NATO/EEC? (Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece, Turkey)

Normally I can get Greece, Portugal and Spain out of NATO easily. Italy is a bit harder to do, and I never can get Turkey out bcs I can't even fund any side prior to the coup.

That is probably where you are going wrong, then.

[Targyisplaying]

Originally posted by Typical_Name:

Originally posted by Targyisplaying:

Normally I can get Greece, Portugal and Spain out of NATO easily. Italy is a bit harder to do, and I never can get Turkey out bcs I can't even fund any side prior to the coup.

That is probably where you are going wrong, then.

My guess is that the probabilities of success increase when at least a majority of those countries turn socialist/communist.

I got Greece, Spain and Portugal out of NATO and EEC in my latest run, and it seemed Italy will leave as well bcs the ICP won the 79 elections, but somehow the factional divide event didn't fire, so I couldn't pick Cossutta or Ingrao and in 1983 the CDA/ISP coalition led by Craxi won. And yes, in this one I contacted Marchais through CMEA as well and failed again, but this time both Spain and Portugal were fascist, so probably it has to do with that.

[firestarter]

In the event turning france red you are to pick the first option, the one supplying him with money and agents, this is what will make marche leave the EEC and NATO

[Targyisplaying]

Originally posted by firestarter:

In the event turning france red you are to pick the first option, the one supplying him with money and agents, this is what will make marche leave the EEC and NATO

In the events timeline (that you can check here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2906174691) It says that both options make France leave NATO and the EEC.

[firestarter]

Originally posted by Targyisplaying:

Originally posted by firestarter:

In the event turning france red you are to pick the first option, the one supplying him with money and agents, this is what will make marche leave the EEC and NATO

In the events timeline (that you can check here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2906174691) It says that both options make France leave NATO and the EEC.

I never had sucess with the second option in the past

Is there some particular reason that you didnt choose the first option?

[Targyisplaying]

Originally posted by firestarter:

Originally posted by Targyisplaying:

In the events timeline (that you can check here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2906174691) It says that both options make France leave NATO and the EEC.

I never had sucess with the second option in the past

Is there some particular reason that you didnt choose the first option?

Didn't have the influence or the resources to do so.

[Typical_Name]

The Socialist Union only forms with the second option, is what I assumed the reason was.

[Targyisplaying]

Originally posted by Typical_Name:

The Socialist Union only forms with the second option, is what I assumed the reason was.

Given this it is kinda safe to assume that the success of the second option depends on if at least Italy and Spain are socialist already.

Also yeah, I'd like to form the socialist union, but I am struggling with getting a socialist France out of NATO and the EEC. I know Mitterrand and Chirac can also do it, but I wanted to try with Marchais first.

[Typical_Name]

Originally posted by Targyisplaying:

Originally posted by Typical_Name:

The Socialist Union only forms with the second option, is what I assumed the reason was.

Given this it is kinda safe to assume that the success of the second option depends on if at least Italy and Spain are socialist already.

Also yeah, I'd like to form the socialist union, but I am struggling with getting a socialist France out of NATO and the EEC. I know Mitterrand and Chirac can also do it, but I wanted to try with Marchais first.

Only Marchais will form the Socialist Union, as far as I know. France, Spain, and Italy need to be green on the map for that to happen (Spain will be Democratic Socialist and France and Italy will be Eurocommunist).

... By the way, since you asked earlier, the reason you're not getting the factional divide event in Italy is because that doesn't happen with the route you're taking. If you wanted to pick Cossutta or Ingrao, you'd support both radical groups in 1978, and eventually get an event where you can put the Left in power in Italy, then later you get the Split in the Left event. However, you don't want to do that for the Socialist Union route.


Just to clarify, since you used the word "probabilities" earlier, there is NO probability regarding the formation of the Socialist Union, or anyone leaving NATO/EEC. There is a very clearly defined list of requirements that you need to meet.

[Targyisplaying]

Originally posted by Typical_Name:

Only Marchais will form the Socialist Union, as far as I know. France, Spain, and Italy need to be green on the map for that to happen (Spain will be Democratic Socialist and France and Italy will be Eurocommunist).

... By the way, since you asked earlier, the reason you're not getting the factional divide event in Italy is because that doesn't happen with the route you're taking. If you wanted to pick Cossutta or Ingrao, you'd support both radical groups in 1978, and eventually get an event where you can put the Left in power in Italy, then later you get the Split in the Left event. However, you don't want to do that for the Socialist Union route.


Just to clarify, since you used the word "probabilities" earlier, there is NO probability regarding the formation of the Socialist Union, or anyone leaving NATO/EEC. There is a very clearly defined list of requirements that you need to meet.

I wish I've read this earlier, because I finally managed to turn France red and make it abandon NATO and the EEC. But since Italy was led by Cossutta and Spain was led by the socialists after the civil war, the creation of the socialist union didn't happen.

Would a Carlist-Titoist Spain also join the socialist union? IIRC that path also turns Spain green, but it'd make more sense if it has to be specifically democratic socialist, having to assasinate Carrillo then.

[Typical_Name]

No, Carlist-Titoist Spain would not join the Socialist Union, because the Socialist Union only forms if Spain is Democratic Socialist as of May 1983, and the event in which Spain becomes Carlist-Titoist happens in August 1983. Even if simply being green on the map was sufficient for them to form the Socialist Union (I don't know if it would be), they would have missed the chance to do so.


By the way, you can still destroy NATO/EEC without forming the Socialist Union, with steps similar to what you describe. However, it's much harder, since you would need to get Trotskyist UK (the UK under Foot's Labour Party only leaves NATO if the Socialist Union exists).