China: Mao's legacy

China: Mao's legacy

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1295661861 Jul 7, 2023 @ 6:31pm
Why did communists in Spain establish monarchical socialism?
This looks weird, doesn't it?
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Typical_Name Jul 7, 2023 @ 11:58pm 
It's pretty weird, yeah. It's kind of hinted at if you read the text early on, where the Spanish communist guy is hinted at having monarchist sympathies.

To turn Spain red, you need to do the civil war, have the government win, and then support the socialists. (The outcome of the separatist wars doesn't matter)
Vitaly820 Jul 8, 2023 @ 3:06am 
Read about left Carlists. It is true that there was a Carlist branch which demanded monarchy but Titoist economy.
PaiosFranen Jul 8, 2023 @ 5:19am 
Because Santiago Carrillo (leader of the communists at that time) was a revisionist and a sellout. I think this is a funny joke way of implying that that the developers thought of. But yes left carlism is definetely real.
dublerr Jul 8, 2023 @ 8:34am 
exactly like paiosFranen as mentioned Santiago Carrilo was a very important figure in the transition from the francoist regime to the new monarchy i think that the game implies that if you give him the full power instead of him supporting the transition to Juan Carlos of the Borbons he supports the market socialist Tito inspired carlists in inheriting the throne
jtm85 Jul 16, 2023 @ 1:44pm 
Originally posted by 1295661861:
This looks weird, doesn't it?

With Santiago Carrillo as a leader of the PCE everything is possible.
Targyisplaying Jul 18, 2023 @ 3:23am 
Originally posted by Vitaly820:
Read about left Carlists. It is true that there was a Carlist branch which demanded monarchy but Titoist economy.
They ended up abandoning the monarchist cause and currently they are republican and still Titoists, but keep calling themselves "Carlists" because they claim socialist self-management is the logical evolution of the Carlist principle of "fueros", that is the decentralization of Spain and respect for each community's culture.

Carrillo proclaiming Carlos-Hugo of Bourbon-Parma as king is both a reference to this leftist interpretation of Carlism and, as others have said, a joke regarding Carrillo's acceptance of the Spanish monarchy IRL (a requisite forced on the Communist Party in order to be legalised during the Transition period of 1977, nowadays they have return to its republican roots). Furthermore, Carrillo knew Carlos Hugo personally and they were kind of friends IRL, as Carlos Hugo already then rennounced to his claims to the throne and presented himslef as a potential candidate for a republican presidency "if the people wills it". In fact both Carlos and Carrillo gathered all the democratic opposition forces in the "democratic junta" prior to Franco's death and during the Transition.
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