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SR2 and 4 are great games as they both knew what they wanted to be. But I agree with the fans who feel SR4 should have been a spin-off and not a direct sequel as by then it's only Saints Row in name and nothing more.
Gat out of Hell is a disappointment all around though.
everywhere i go, everyone is praising sr2 as some perfect game and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on sr4.
sr4 is as much a saints row game as zelda II is a zelda game. the zelda fans consider zelda II canon, despite it being VASTLY different than what came before or after. it might be different, but it is still a good kind of different. and has ties to the overall story. more so than people give it credit for.
gat out of hell did what it set out to: provide a side-story. it is (and marketed as) a standalone expansion pack. it is a part of sr4. it wasnt meant to be a full game, hell, even the boss isnt playable. but eh... people are judging it as a full release instead of a standalone expansion like it is intended to be.
theres absolutely no defending agents of mayhem though. which is considered a saints row spinoff.
you want an ACTUAL bad game that changes genres?
Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts. Not for the genre change itself, but the fact it has a character SPECIFICALLY to put down the fans of what came before.
at the very least, saints row 4 doen't have L.O.G. it doesnt have a character that mocks fans of the first 3 saints row games. in fact, there's countless amounts of respect given to what came before it.
I'm sorry but no that's completely wrong on so many levels.
Firstly Saints Row 4 is not a Saints Row game. Sure it may hold the title of "SAINTS ROW" But it lacks the theme,gameplay,story and focus of the fist 2 games. The first 2 games had a narrative and a theme behind it. However the Narraitive was thrown out the window by The Third and completey beaten and killed by Saints Row 4.
Plus the gameplay that made the series loved is completely changed as well. Saints Row 1 was fairly simple. You play as a gangster taking over districts by other gangs. It was bold and Ambitious Saints Row 2 redefined that basic formula while improving upon it. It felt like a true sequel a true Saints Row game. Then when 3 came along it focused on one aspect on Saints Row 2 but it completley missed the point why that game was great in the first place. It left so many narrative threads from the previous games untied and it fell completely flat. Saints Row 4 is a completely different game at that point. When looking at the series as a whole SR4 and SR3 feels out of place. They should've been their own IP. Yet they didn't do that. They defmored the seires thus splitting the fanbase.
Imagine if Half-Life 3 came out but it didn't follow the events of Episode 2 but it was an COD esque military shooter full of cutscenes. That doesn't seem right for the series does it? Or a better example if Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon was called "Far Cry 4" it ♥♥♥♥♥ on the series and game identity. Its more fitting for a goofy spin off. What Saints Row 4 should've been A goofy non canon spin off titled "Saints of Rage" "Space Row" "Saints Row: Unleashed" "Leave it to the Saints" it would've been recived much better.
EDIT the reason why Zelda fans consider "Zelda II" a Zelda game is that they still kept the games identity. Same thing with the change between GTA 2 and GTA 3.
Saints Row 4 should've been "Agents of Mayhem"
and, again. saints row 4 only made one major change to the gameplay: give you super powers. it's still an open world game, it is still a crime sim, even though the crime is mostly focused on breaking OUT of a simulation.
it is still a saints row game at it's core, just with a sci-fi and superhero coat of paint.
if all it takes for one big change for a game to be hated, when what's the point of even innovating?
and at the VERY least, the VERY ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ least, it isn't like nuts and bolts and have a character invented JUST to ♥♥♥♥ on the legacy of what came before it. in fact, sr4 treats its legacy with respect with how it handles the story. peel back the sci-fi, and the superpowers, and the wacky comedy and you have a story that treats its fans with respect.
Wrong again Saints Row 4 while a good game on its own. It still a bad Saints Row game even how many times you paint it. Also if you call "fighting aliens and being the president with superpowers" a crime game then you have no idea what you are talking about. Saints Row 4 is not a crime sim. Its an open world sci fi parody.
If it is a "Saints Row" game at the core then where are the gangs? Where is the gang territories? where are lowriders? where is that petty urban life feel? I don't see it.
Lol its exactly like Nuts and Bolts. https://youtu.be/1_AiFn5pWQk?t=13m6s Plus are sure about SR4 treating its legacy with respect? Becuase I can list examples that proves that wrong. Like
1. Johnny Gat being a shell of himself. In SR1 and SR2 he was a terrifying psychopath and in SR4 he's a lighthearted badass. Same goes for the Player
2. Getting certain bits of the lore wrong like character death dates (On the website they sat Lin died in 2008 and Carlos died in 2007. You can't make this ♥♥♥♥ up
3. No Dex any mention of such a major character is played off as a "Joke"
4. Forgetting about Troy Bradshaw
Sure Saints Row 4 has tons of refrences to the originals. Its one big love letter circle jerk to itself but its mostly treated as a parody.
and, i'm willing to say the zin are pretty generic. what saves them though, is their leader. who may very well be the greatest villain in all of saints row.
have you even SEEN the part where gat was brought back? he isnt a shell. he's such a baddass that even the ZIN are scared of him. and, to show this fear: gat gets arguably the scariest simulation out of the crew. and he's there for at LEAST five years
aisha's death in sr2? sad as hell. but zinyak multiplies it a thousand fold by having gat re-live that nightmare in what looks, at it's surface, a stock 90s beat em up. and every time he arrives to save aisha, zinyak makes SURE he watches his lover die. johnny said it himself: if not for the boss, he really would have had that break him.
and? what's wrong with the boss being a bit more human? the guy's got what he wanted, the world's at his beck and call. he is still a dangerous man but still a good enough person to show mercy. I personally like this boss more. i mean, he's never going to be a "good guy" but at the same time, the saints became like family to them.
and as for dex... if zinyak didnt abduct him, then he got blown up with the rest of the earth. he isn't the only character to suffer this fate, if he were then i can see the anger, but sr3 fans are just as miffed at oleg, nyte blade, violas, zimos, and mayor burt reynolds death,
what would troy have actually done by now? he's been outed as a cop, he's not an antagonist, he's mainly there to cover his old friends asses.
both are prolly dead now. get over it.
Yet again you completely missed my point.The Zin is not a "gang" its a generic alien force you fight against. Part of Saints Row charm is being part of a gang taking out other gangs and taking their territories. Sure you can do that in SR4 but its still lacking that Urban petty life feeling. Like robbing stores, tagging, pimping, drive by's, repping your gang colours, decking out you ride and etc. Saints Row 1 and 2 made you feel like you're part of a gang. Part of that culture. Its an excellent look into this culture and the people who inhabit it. Also that's just one mission. A call back to the first game. While a good mission. Its not what I am talking about
A good villian yes but he's really not a villian you see in a Saints Row game.
Oh here we go. Sure that's a good mission (Arguably the most Saints Row mission in the entire game even if its still played off as a parody) but Gat is not supposed to be a "A cool lovable badass that anyone could live up to" he supposed to be a dangerous terrifying psychopath. A criminal. A monster who loves to kill other monsters. Gat just feels like a forced parody of himself in SR4. A shell of his formor self. In Gat outta Hell its even worse. He's a completely different character from his SR1 and SR2 counterpart.
Oh sure S/he's more human but its still missing the point of why SR1 and SR2's plot and gameplay works. S/he's a gang leader. A pshycopath in a sane world. Remember that mission where you confront Julius in SR2. He calls the player out for being a "sociopath" and the Saints for being "The Vice King that wore purple" That mission is important becuase Julius is 100% right. The Player ever since SR1 is a power hungry maniac. It fits within the theme of taking control over a city full of gangs. Its like being the Joker in a sane world. It works and it was honestly really fun. In SR4 The Player is a generic anti hero which quite lame tbh.
Oh wow so much wrong. Do you even know who Dex is? He's more important than all of those characters put together. He was the reason behind Ultor taking control of Stilwater, He was behind setting the Player and Julius up in the Saints Row chruch, He was the main villian of the Corprate Warfare DLC. (Which ended on a cliffhanger mind you) Dex was one of the major figures tying both Saints Row and Saints Row 2 together along with Julius, Troy and Dane Vogel. The Dex's plotline was ended on a cliffhanger then was quietly forgetten about. There is a reason why fans are upset over this since there are so many unanswered question regarding him. Like Eric Gryphon? Remeber what Dex said in mission 2 of CW?
"Gyphon is not who you think he his"
But Both Dex and Gyphon was forgotten about for the "WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB RANDOM XD" plot in which SR3,SR4 and GOH was infested with.
Watch these videos to get a better understanding
https://youtu.be/pVNQ4kYO5z4
https://youtu.be/JS5t4hpHe34
That's the problem though. I'm not going to "Get over it" since there is so much to be done with those characters. Other than just "Ignoring them" Troy was not an antagonist yet but they could've still done more than him. That's like telling fans to "Get Over" Gat's lame shoehorned "death" in the Third. We don't want to kill Dex. We want to confront him like with Julius.
i stand by my arguement with carlos. lin too.
oh yah, everyone who whines about dex arent acting like fans of sr3 didnt lose characters between games.
most of sr3s cast are dead, with only kinzie and matt (matt was an antagonist before) surviving from that game.
oh, and dex isnt the ONLY villain whos fate was left ambiguous.
killbane got away in sr3s canon ending. and i don't see much in the way of commuppence for him. other than that MAYBE he died with the rest of those already mentioned. but nobody complains about him, right? because he isn't dex?
and, i'd argue i'd wanna kill killbane more than i'd want dex dead. killbane was MUCH more of an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ than dex was.
what would troy have *DONE?* steelport isn't in his jurisdiction... he has no power there. he was already basically a background character in sr2. ya know, despite being a cop sent to spy on you before.
oh, ive played sr2. i STARTED with sr2 before sr3 even came out. i'm not going to say i don't love it because i very much do love it. but everyone is being quite unfair to sr4.
No Carlos's death fits well within the context of the plot
You still not getting it. Most of the SR3's characters are not really important compared to someone like Dex.
Killbane is also not an important character compared to Dex. Sure he's the only good villian in SR3 (That's not saying much. He's an inferior version of Maero) but compared to Dex he's not really Important. What we want with Dex is not to kill him but to confront him.
Like with Julius.
Yet you miss the fact his death works within the context of the Brotherhood arc. His death was supposed to feel brutal and in vain. It showed the brutality of the brotherhood and the actions of between Maero and The Player.