Who Is Stronger Chaos or Space Marines?

[•.Mercury.•]

Ive played as both and they both seem very powerful but I can't really say which is the most powerful.

[Saint Kelly]

Space Marines of course.

[Frosty]

Originally posted by Saint Kelly:

Space Marines of course.

I have a strong feeling that you just love space marines. You realise that you cannot say one army is better than the other as you can lose to either. Every race has equal strength so you answer is invalid.

[Saint Kelly]

Originally posted by Eclipse43:

Originally posted by Saint Kelly:

Space Marines of course.

I have a strong feeling that you just love space marines. You realise that you cannot say one army is better than the other as you can lose to either. Every race has equal strength so you answer is invalid.

No I honestly hate the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Space Marines, But Chaos is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ than the Space Marines.

[G.C._madGin]

They each play differently, so it's hard to say which is def stronger..
IF I'd have to go with only one, I'd say whichever you play better with is stronger =P

[Chi]

Orcs trolololol (read that sarcastically please) but no I say from my personal experience Chaos you can get the Chaos Lord unit and turn him into a demon :p

[Blasphemer]

in 1v1 in terms of balance ladder among the other races they are on the same level probably, both have pretty same bad/good match ups. also sm vs chaos head to head is 50/50 i would say.

[Saint Kelly]

The Imperial Guard are better.

[Windy5000 (Az)]

Originally posted by G.C._madGin:

They each play differently, so it's hard to say which is def stronger..
IF I'd have to go with only one, I'd say whichever you play better with is stronger =P

Nope....
Space Marines are a ♥♥♥♥ load stronger than Chaos. Race has only ever been nerfed since vanilla Dow. 1v1 Cult nade spam still OP but if the SM player can still easily come out on top.

[G.C._madGin]

Originally posted by Az:

Originally posted by G.C._madGin:

They each play differently, so it's hard to say which is def stronger..
IF I'd have to go with only one, I'd say whichever you play better with is stronger =P

Nope....
Space Marines are a ♥♥♥♥ load stronger than Chaos. Race has only ever been nerfed since vanilla Dow. 1v1 Cult nade spam still OP but if the SM player can still easily come out on top.

Honestly if you don't suck, any weakness can be overcome. Granted I only play local vs with friends or against hard+ AI, but they seem like both have their own strong points to the extent that a "clear" winner is usually not an easy call to make with SM vs CSM. Just my opinion tho! :)

[Sigmar's Faithful]

Fluff-wise the Chaos Space Marines sucked because they are fractured and can't stop infighting unless a famous armless one decided it's time for booty call plunder.

Tabletop-wise the stats of the loyalist and chaos SMs are the same, but your baseline loyalist space marines differ from their spiky equivalents in that only the loyalists have And They Shall No Know Fear by default. So while the loyalists are fearless, the Chaosy ones, due to having more of their own agenda and self interest (i.e. their lives) at stake, are more prone to turning tails in face of greater foes. In fact, all loyalist Space Marines, including scouts, have ATSKNF by default. Furthermore, not all CSMs are veterans. In fact, the special rule called "Veteran of the Long War", which just makes them a bit better at leadership (+1), and hate loyalist Space Marines (yup), costs an additional 1 pt per model for all baseline CSMs.

There's also the problem that on the Tabletop, the CSM units have little synergy. Most units are designed to fight their own battle, having little ability to aid their allies. Which is also why almost all Tabletop CSM and non-CSM players I know consider this army: "non-competitive". You just sort of throw your units at the targets they will likely do the most damage to, and hope the Gods of Chaos are in your favor today.

The fluff certainly reflects this, considering how it's made clear that they fight each other constantly in the Eye of Terra for their "little turf", coming out to real space only to acquire slaves and such. This has, naturally, become the one excuse why Abaddon failed so many times yet still able to treat all CSM warbands as his personal harem hound.

I DOWII however, I feel that CSM are better, but only because their T1 units are slightly cheaper than that of the loyalists'

[Gralzeim]

Depends on the player's skill.

[matskry]

both races suck in competitive multiplayers being 7-8th in terms of strength, being superior only to sob in global mu ranking.

[GrimDaReaper]

this shouldnt be a thread...
chaos is the weakest race in game. all round

♥♥♥♥ race ♥♥♥♥ units ♥♥♥♥ tatics

but chaos is my favorate race saddly in all 40k games so far chaos is been really underpowered and weak.... have you see the ultramarines movie? 5 ultramarine rookies kill 100+ black legion 10 thousand year vet chaos marines because? ♥♥♥♥ you thats why Space marieeens #1

i really hate space marines BTW

but they are 1 of the best all round races in game.

Originally posted by Az:

Originally posted by G.C._madGin:

Space Marines are a ♥♥♥♥ load stronger than Chaos. Race has only ever been nerfed since vanilla Dow. 1v1 Cult nade spam still OP but if the SM player can still easily come out on top.

this is true in dow vanilla Chaos was a race for me, it could upgrade its CSM with range\hp upgrades just like SM flamers\rpg\pg\hb too
even raptors could get Pgs

but now eversince WA chaos went bad to worse... its the weakest nerfed race in game. if you dont believe me vs a tau player with chaos... yeah hf geting HB out ranged by fire warriors berserkers losing in meele too IG squads because preists yep have fun using a paper race, its all front scary horns and deep voices, yet weak as ♥♥♥♥.

[GLO BOY GOAT]

there almost the same really

[matskry]

tasty noob opinions, quite entertaining to read actually