What are the Tau?

[mans got drip✅]

I thought they were robots that somehow recruited those melee creatures or befriended them(maybe trained and grew them idk)...
but then i noticed upon death the Tau Units fall and explode into blood pools which obviously robots dont need.

[MadMek]

Uncle Skull님이 먼저 게시:

Chaos does not want the world to end,or to erradicate humanity since that does not profit them at all since the big 4 will thus destroy their primary food source. They just want to take it over and corrupt it.

About the Human/Eldar stuff...A long term allience/pact is only slightly less silly that the entire Blood Angels♥Necrons thing.
No,every human not born on Terra is not really a xeno. All humans originate from Holy Terra,and Xenos do not.
You are also all forgetting that the Imperium's state religion/Emprah's original philosophy was "HUMANITY,♥♥♥♥ YEAH!",and that all Eldar see humans as disgusting inferior ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who are squatting on their turf. Loyal humans shouldn't ally or make a truce with them since it goes against what the Imperium stands for,and Eldar would rather die out as I hope they shall,very,very soon.

I think that you are mistaken there when you consider that during the great crusade Fulgrim was negotiating with the eldar about what planets they got to keep, but things went south because he was carring around a daemonblade.

And as for the eldars opinion of humans.... that varies.

[76561198200638999]

I never read the HH books,but I know that it was a Slaaneshi daemon in the sword.How can you not be sure that the daemonblade made him "negotiate" with the Eldar just so that the Daemon inside of it could nomm them? (That's what I guess you mean when you say it went south,the blade made him fight the Eldar)
The point still is that the Imperium always was and will be extremely xenophobic and for very good reasons,both thematic and in-universe ones.

How so? From Craftworld to craftworld? Possibly,but that brings us to another issue.
Everything is very fractured in 40k. The Craftworld Eldar are not a "country"so to say.They maintain contact with eachother but they have very diffirent views on what they should be doing and how they are doing it. You could maybe make a craftworld be on good terms with the Imperium,with some lore bending,but if somehow Biel-Tan decided that humanity is actually pretty cool and rolled with it that would be a serious heresy. It would be worse that the Blood Angels and Necron teamup.


However,as detestable as the idea of Imperium teaming up on long terms with Eldar,the absolute worst are those people who say that a Imperium/Tau allience would be "awesome".
No...just....no....please...

[MadMek]

He never attacked the eldar, they attacked him because they assumed exaclty what you just thought. At the time he was totally unaware that chaos even existed.

And what I am saying is not that GW should right in an imperium/eldar alliance, it's that they should stop having them fight for reasons that don't make any damm sense, and that, in-universe, if any of them were half as smart as they are supposed to be, they would not constantly be pissing each other off.

And I mostly meant that eldar opinion of humans varies from one individual to another, but yea, one craftworld to another just as much. No, beil-tan don't like humans. They don't really like anyone. But they can easily be compared to some of the uber-fanatical human factions that want to exterminate every single alien- and no, the imperium in general does not really want to do that. Certainly the emperor did not.

[NZL]

it doesnt matter eldar look down on humans and always will they have a superiority complex

[MadMek]

Thöthneköl Inruszutshösh님이 먼저 게시:

it doesnt matter eldar look down on humans and always will they have a superiority complex

So do humans, which I suppose is the probelm.

But the real problem is the DUMBASS complex.

[NZL]

not all humans, but all elf do

[MadMek]

Thöthneköl Inruszutshösh님이 먼저 게시:

not all humans, but all elf do

There is at least one eldar philsopher that belives the orks have the perfect society. If one of them can get past their superiority complex for ORKS, then lots of them can get past it for humans that are nearly identical to them.

[Toby Larone]

Orks HAVE the perfect society for themselfe aslong as there are a lot of thing to fight wich 40k gives you that in great amounts

[76561198200638999]

sayerglasgow님이 먼저 게시:

Thöthneköl Inruszutshösh님이 먼저 게시:

not all humans, but all elf do

There is at least one eldar philsopher that belives the orks have the perfect society. If one of them can get past their superiority complex for ORKS, then lots of them can get past it for humans that are nearly identical to them.

Here's the quote in question:
"The Orks are the pinnacle of creation. For them, the great struggle is won. They have evolved a society which knows no stress or angst. Who are we to judge them? We Eldar who have failed, or the Humans, on the road to ruin in their turn? And why? Because we sought answers to questions that an Ork wouldn't even bother to ask! We see a culture that is strong and despise it as crude."
So,he doesn't seem to like humans,or even his own kin all that much for that fact. Plus,the dude is called "Uthan the Perverse",which shows what oppinon other Eldar have for him.

The Emperor didn't hate xenos? From where did you get this idea,exactly?
We know relativley little about the Emperor (other that he is dumb as a rock,according to some of his actions and words),but I'm fairly sure that his ultimate goal was a human galaxy.

[MadMek]

I am fully aware that the eldar did not like this guy. My point is that in any species there will be differences in opinion.

The emperors goal was to remove any alien races that he considered a potential threat, reasoning that he backed up with his thinking that other races had already had their chance to dominate the galaxy. Which is deeply flawed logic, and quite franky he seems to be totally immoral.

However, that still goes into his ultimate idea of "do whatever it takes for humanity to take over". He made a deal with ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ CHAOS to create the primarchs after all. (how the ♥♥♥♥ did he not see the horus heresy coming?).

[Toby Larone]

The reason for the HH is in my opinion the rivalries betwen the primarchs and the Emperors inabilaty to unit the 18 Primarchs

[MadMek]

Leeroy returns님이 먼저 게시:

The reason for the HH is in my opinion the rivalries betwen the primarchs and the Emperors inabilaty to unit the 18 Primarchs

The reason for it was a huge number of stupid decisions by the emperor, first and perhaps greatest of which was making a deal with chaos in creating them.

[76561198200638999]

Some Imperial governors surrender to or welcome Tau rule. This hardly means that every single governor is going to do so. A few Craftworlders might think a allience with the Imperium would be good,but the rest are going to consider Mon-Keigh crude and disgusting animals who would never agree upon a truce,and whom trucing with is pointless since they are extremly dumb. It would be like the Imperium trying to make a truce with Orks,from the Eldar perspective.
Best case scenario,they treat humans as meat shields against Chaos and occasionaly helping them,kinda like the High Elves in Warhammer Fantasy. There it was actually the High Elves who taught some basic magic to humans so they can defend themselves from Chaos better. And,considering that at least 50% of 40k's backstory on many non human races is copypastsa from Warhammer Fantasy (this is especially shameful on the Eldar themselves -- the entire religion,getting nommed by Slaanesh instead of going to their afterlife and putting their souls into rocks so Slaanesh doesn't eat them first come to mind) and the fact that many Craftworlds aren't really fleshed out,this could work with some of them.
I'm still against it tough. Suffer not the alien to live.


{링크가 삭제되었습니다}Well,in the Emprah's defence he was/is the most powerful psyker alive,so he can ♥♥♥♥ around with the warp a lot and get away with it. What I cannot support at all tough,is being a terrible,TERRIBLE parent and generally a douche. Mortarion,Magnus,Lorgar and Angron are the best examples imo.

[MadMek]

Well, I personally think that it's bad writing to have characters that are supposed to be smart behave in such self-destructive ways.

Emps really was a terrible parent. He just constantly ignored anything the primarchs did wrong, until he got fed up with it, then either went and humilated them (word bearers) or sent another legion to tell them off, which, since that generally seemed to be the space wolves, SUPRISE SUPRISE, led to a fight, than ended up with whoever he wanted to set straight being resentful.

Then he just ignored them as they went insane or fell to chaos. I mean, for starters, if he had payed any damm attention, he might have noticed that fulgrim had picked up a daemonblade somewhere.

[76561198200638999]

"You kept that mule Kor Phaeron. Russ kept his kin-friends. The Lion kept Luther. Humans - brothers and foster fathers - saved and raised into Legion ranks. But not me. Not Angron, no. Did the Emperor teleport his gold-wrapped Custodians down to help me and my army? No. Did he free the War Hounds and order them to battle, fight alongside me? No. Did he save my brothers and sisters the way he spared and honoured the Lion's closest kin? The way he honoured Kor Phaeron? No, no and no. No mercy for Angron. Angron the Oathbreaker. Angron the Betrayer..."

♥♥♥♥ you Emprah,you socially retarded,emotionally stunted,self absorbed piece of Anatolian ♥♥♥♥!