Star wars vs star trek vs 40k

[Malaficus Shaikan]

For the sake of this debate the follow rules apply.

All weapons and armor are equall( basic infantry gear is equal, elite infantry gear is equal, tanks are equal, etc)

Omnipotent(gods, q, the force) beings are forbidden to directly interfere, indirectly is allowed(summoning several greater demons on corosant is forbidden, building pleasure cults isnt, likewise poofing armies out of existance if forbidden, giving information to your pet picard isnt.)

All universes are merged.

The force and the warp are different things.

Factions remain at war(no unrealistic* alliance's or united orks rolfstomping everyone)

All travel works will work according to there rules.

Tech can be reverst engineered with some difficulty(depending of the faction and tech in question**)

Plot armor is turned off(picard, luke skywalker, the god emperor etc arent invincible anymore)

No unified ork's, tyranids suddenly showing up, or other galaxie ending pull-out-of-your-behind-threat.

Exstended universes allowed(pre-disney recon)

No solo, curb or any form of stomp.
Give a reason who would win and why.

*Alliance that would make sense are allowed but any alliance or cooperation that goes against the factions nature is stricly forbidden(orks teaming up with necrons to curbstom the entire star wars universe is a no good(ork alliance dont last that long) eldar helping the imperium win a fight?
Sure.
Federation teaming up with the tau?
Fine by me.
Imperium teaming up with the federation...yeah no.)

**Federation reverse engineer warptech for example is alot harder the reverse engineering imperium tech.
Because of the federation outright refusal to believe in "magic" they will have a harder time reverse engineering it, the imperium doesnt reverse engineer and the necrons only have 5 people with a working brain left...so it isnt just steal faction tech and curbstom....not to mention resourses are still needed to build stuff.

[Cursed Hawkins]

40K would win mainly because even at war with each other they have a lot more to field compared to both Star Wars and Star Trek combined.

[Frosty]

If we think about it. If everyone was to fight, the borg will surely win, as having the ability to become immue to any type of damage once will make them a monsterous race. But, in compare, I do think the tyranids may have a chance to wipe them out due to numbers, and their ability to also adapt to weaponry and biomes. but, that's just my opinion.

[Cursed Hawkins]

PaperClip43 の投稿を引用：

If we think about it. If everyone was to fight, the borg will surely win, as having the ability to become immue to any type of damage once will make them a monsterous race. But, in compare, I do think the tyranids may have a chance to wipe them out due to numbers, and their ability to also adapt to weaponry and biomes. but, that's just my opinion.

not even they would survive an Exterminatus PaperClip43 Exterminatus beats everything.

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Zerg の投稿を引用：

nah mlp would win

[MadMek]

Star wars wins because they can be at everyone's homeworld before anyone else even knows what's happening.

[Old Soviet Dog]

Species 8472 had the borg on the back foot

[A Mongoose]

40K would Curb Stomp due to sheer weight of numbers, and that's just the Imperial Guard and Navy. Then there's the Orks. Then the Tyranids.

Then there's the Necrons (Oldcrons, because anything Matt Ward or Gotohell is non-canon) who can't die and their guns strip the flesh from the target layer by layer, and can kill small titans in sufficient quantities.

Oh yes, did I mention that Titans have small versions of the shields used on Imperial Starships? And to you trekkies, in Battlefleet Gothic Armada, shields block teleportation attacks, so no teleporting torpedoes into the bridge FYI.

And for Star Wars, Jedi tend to be pretty rare, even at the best of times. The Imperium alone meanwhile has millions of psykers (enough to sacrifice 1000 a day without a dent in their numbers). Not to mention that Eldar have large numbers of highly-accomplished psykers, many of whom are very competent combatants.

Death Stars? Borg Cubes? Oh please, Planet Killers, World Engines. Warhammer's got it all.

Warhammer 40K wins. ;)

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Malaficus Shaikan の投稿を引用：

For the sake of this debate the follow rules apply.

All weapons and armor are equall( basic infantry gear is equal, elite infantry gear is equal, tanks are equal, etc)

this makes it much more boring tbh...

[MadMek]

X-COM の投稿を引用：

40K would Curb Stomp due to sheer weight of numbers, and that's just the Imperial Guard and Navy. Then there's the Orks. Then the Tyranids.

Then there's the Necrons (Oldcrons, because anything Matt Ward or Gotohell is non-canon) who can't die and their guns strip the flesh from the target layer by layer, and can kill small titans in sufficient quantities.

Oh yes, did I mention that Titans have small versions of the shields used on Imperial Starships? And to you trekkies, in Battlefleet Gothic Armada, shields block teleportation attacks, so no teleporting torpedoes into the bridge FYI.

And for Star Wars, Jedi tend to be pretty rare, even at the best of times. The Imperium alone meanwhile has millions of psykers (enough to sacrifice 1000 a day without a dent in their numbers). Not to mention that Eldar have large numbers of highly-accomplished psykers, many of whom are very competent combatants.

Death Stars? Borg Cubes? Oh please, Planet Killers, World Engines. Warhammer's got it all.

Warhammer 40K wins. ;)

The problem 40k has is deployment. The total force the imperium has is vast, but they're so disorganized and frankly just stupidly led that they can't put up any really organized response to an emerging threat. Not to mention it takes a centrury for them to get from one end of the galaxy to the other, so even if they could agree that a threat needed a response, it would take centuries for them to marshall all their forces. The necrons can move fast (in space at least), but they are even more disorganized than the imperium, and most of them are braindead and senile.

The eldar... there just aren't very many of them, and they aren't very organized either.

[Loyalist George W. Burns]

Frosty の投稿を引用：

If we think about it. If everyone was to fight, the borg will surely win, as having the ability to become immue to any type of damage once will make them a monsterous race. But, in compare, I do think the tyranids may have a chance to wipe them out due to numbers, and their ability to also adapt to weaponry and biomes. but, that's just my opinion.

i dont think that immunity works with say bolters, high explosives, or a chainsword

[Malaficus Shaikan]

sayerglasgow の投稿を引用：

Star wars wins because they can be at everyone's homeworld before anyone else even knows what's happening.

Not really.
Hyperspace(like the webway) is fixed point.
They would first have to find hyperspace route's to there enemies planets.
Admitly this is a problem for everyone but the galaxies are merged.
Meaning that from everyone point of view there are suddenly alot more planets in there galaxie.

[Jack Deth]

40K...the things they have to fight, deal with and are capable of is frightening beyond what Star Wars (even the "old" EU setting) or Star Wars can provide. Disregarding reality bending threats, just consider the easy and firghtening lure of chaos, insidious genestealer cults or comparing an everage ork to an average human.

The Klingon's don't hold a candle to the brutality and warfar mindedness of Orks. Mandalorians would be a bit better fit and I could see them doing ok (all dependent upon which time frame of Star Wars we're in).

Bouncing back gun fire is amazing but mostly works on inept droids and possibly the detritus of the future the Empire employs as stormtroopers.

40K is a hyper aggressive universe where the "good guys" don't even ask the question "Did Han shoot first?". They just shoot. The "vs" discussion could fair a little better if you restricted 40K to a certain fraction of a faction.

As a whole the 40K universe just such a huge weight the other two IP's even combined couldn't tackle it. Necrons have mastered manipulation of reality, Dark Eldar have made cloning the equivalent of going in for a pack of smokes and the Space Marines/Inquisition/Imperial Guard have zero issues with winning at any cost (something the "heroes" of the other universe always angstover).

Your lowest level wych can probably pull of similar stunts in combat that you see jedi/sith pull off in episodes 1-3...with far deadlier weapons.

Again, it would be better if specific factions within each universe could be compared. Then again, I know this isn't a forum for it, I would say that Dr. Who would be a more apt fit in a "vs" thread with Star Wars and Star Trek.

Though a Dr. Who/ Trazyn the Infinite story line would be hilariously interesting (at least in my nerd addled mind).

[Brunner The Bounty Hunter [WSG]]

Warhammer 40k, i dont think people relize how everything in 40k is extremely overpowered, honestly i cant think of any more op universe.

[MadMek]

Malaficus Shaikan の投稿を引用：

sayerglasgow の投稿を引用：

Star wars wins because they can be at everyone's homeworld before anyone else even knows what's happening.

Not really.
Hyperspace(like the webway) is fixed point.
They would first have to find hyperspace route's to there enemies planets.
Admitly this is a problem for everyone but the galaxies are merged.
Meaning that from everyone point of view there are suddenly alot more planets in there galaxie.

I have never, not once in all my reading of star wars, heard mention of hyperspace having any specifc "routes" that MUST be traveled. Hyperspace travel us usually done in specific, established lanes because it's safer, since all the obstacles are known. But you can reall go wherever you want in hyperspace. You just need to worry about being pulled out by large gravity wells from stars, black holes, and interdictor cruisers. It wouldn't take long for any star wars faction to get some basic star charts of the 40K galaxy, and no one there has any equivelant of interdictors.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Malaficus Shaikan の投稿を引用：

Not really.
Hyperspace(like the webway) is fixed point.
They would first have to find hyperspace route's to there enemies planets.
Admitly this is a problem for everyone but the galaxies are merged.
Meaning that from everyone point of view there are suddenly alot more planets in there galaxie.

A line in knights of the old republic loading screen pointed out that hyperspace exploration is dangerous.
You say it yourself:

sayerglasgow の投稿を引用：

Hyperspace travel us usually done in specific, established lanes because it's safer, since all the obstacles are known. But you can reall go wherever you want in hyperspace. You just need to worry about being pulled out by large gravity wells from stars, black holes, and interdictor cruisers

sayerglasgow の投稿を引用：

It wouldn't take long for any star wars faction to get some basic star charts of the 40K galaxy, and no one there has any equivelant of interdictors.

I didnt mean that hyperspace isnt a massive advantage.
I ment that it isnt that simple.
Even the meanest star wars factions(morals are on remember) isnt know to bomb entire galaxies in quick succesion.
Add to that eye of terror and tyranid hive fleets dont have worlds you can bomb(Good luck bombing planets when demons appear on your ship every second)
Sure the imperium would be easy to destroy but it is the weakest faction in 40k so....