True Fear: Forsaken Souls Part 2

True Fear: Forsaken Souls Part 2

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Ani Blade Nov 15, 2018 @ 6:11pm
Timeline - SPOILERS
Alright, let's play around with this timeline a bit more, shall we?
If you have anything to add, please let me know!


1911 - Sean Epperson, Director. Dark Falls Asylum first opened?

1927 - Tyler Cooper, Director

1946 - Daniel Prigg, Director

1947 - Jeffry Liptak, Director

1960 - Abrial Da Costa, Director

November 2, 1974 - Skybridge from Block B to Block A inaugerated by Headmaster M. Kaine

1978 - Charles "takes a liking to Elisabeth" when she is 12 years old.

1983 - Heather, Holly, Dahlia are born. Elisabeth was 17. (Holly says she was 11 when her mother died. 1994-11 = 1983)

June 22, 1984 - Newspaper about recent fire, asylum seems haunted. Did this incident lead to HER dying? Is she repeating events that happened to her?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1565874258
?? 1984 - Dr. Kaine removed as director and replaced with Jessica Sachs. (Why? The fire?)

1993? - Jessica is asking questions about patient D (Dahlia?). Is close to discovering things about Block C.
?? - Elisabeth is trying to get Dahlia taken out of the asylum. Tries to have tapes given to Dahlia (different set?).
?? - Kyle finds out Elisabeth has two other daughters, is surprised that "someone in her condition" is allowed custody. Plans to mention to Smith.

(December?) 1993 - Block A burns down. Dahlia presumed dead. Jessica Sachs goes missing, presumed dead in fire.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1565872366
1994 - Christopher Smith promoted from supervisor to director.

?? - New equipment is installed in Block B. Four faced satue installed in greenhouse. The THREE are being experimented on/tortured. Dahlia hidden in Block B.
?? - Jack is hired, meets Elisabeth.
?? - All visitors are no longer permitted. Only the Admissions building is open to the public (bonus chapter). Gate is to remain sealed unless one-time access is granted.
?? - Guards start to question deliveries and food supplies for patients. Some guards have not been inside the Asylum for almost three months.
?? - Jack begins speaking with HER.
?? - Jack moved to night shift.
?? - Jack and Elisabeth are arguing about something during the weeks leading up to the massacre. Jack is starting to act "different", especially after his shifts.

March 12, 1994 - Elisabeth dies. That same day, Jack starts killing.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1565882902

1994 - Grandfather dies.
?? - Grandmother becomes ill, girls are sent to boarding school.

?? - Heather leaves home as soon as possible, moves to the city, rarely comes home.
?? - Heather becomes obssessed with Elisabeth's death and a conspiracy.

2004? - Heather calls Holly a traitor. Last time Holly hears from Heather.

?? - Grandmother is moved to a retirement home.
?? - Holly leaves the house to start her own life.
?? - Grandmother dies.
?? - Realestate agent tries to assess house to be sold. Dies.

2014? - Journalist goes to Dark Falls Asylum a few months before Holly.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1565906712

2014? - My guess on current year. Holly keeps saying the massacre was 10 years ago, but also that the last time she saw Heather was ten years ago... Events do not add up, so I am adding ten years to try and make sense.
Last edited by Ani Blade; Nov 18, 2018 @ 11:00pm
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Ani Blade Nov 15, 2018 @ 6:13pm 
1) Jack knew Dahlia was alive. As of when? Why didn't he tell Elisabeth? She never mentioned finding out that Dahlia was alive in her tapes... that she apparently recorded the day she died.

2) Holly mentions that "her mother was right" about Dahlia still being alive. I can't find anything where her mother questioned it though.

3) Maybe Elisabeth was questioning things? Maybe she started asking about Dahlia as well. The letter that Heather was sent... the same letter we found copies of... they could have been used for Elisabeth as well, and from what we know, someone did pay her a final visit.
ms52 Nov 15, 2018 @ 7:51pm 
Good one, Elena.
I'll get back to this later.
8dognight Dec 17, 2018 @ 5:06am 
AniBlades, thanks for the Christopher explanation. It explains a lot about attitudes toward him in Part 2.

I had a different post here written on the theory that it was 1994 in the security buidling in the bonus game of Part 1 but I now think that was wrong; it was 1984 and Jessica had not been a nurse there for very long, so she could be "new nurse Jessica" asking about patient D. and on the brink of deducing something about Block C. If it was 1994, then she was demoted, making her "new nurse Jessica" who was previously director.

If 1984 that means the asylum was ahead of its time in terms of its computers by, I'm guessing here, close to a decade. That operating system doesn't look like anything like the one on my 1984 Eagle computer. Hey, don't laugh. That Eagle was state of the art, and there are still clubs of users.

But after the cut scene at the exterior of the security building that controls the main gate in Part 2, the date is unequivocally 1984. That's the 1984 Dr. Kaine newspaper.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1590779705

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1590834805

Sure, inside the building it could be 1994, and a quarantine could have meant that the newspaper reflects the last day the vending machine had papers added but by 1994 that stack of papers should have been long gone because the hospital was operating again.
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8dognight Dec 17, 2018 @ 7:16am 
In Part 1, when Holly returns to the house she grew up in, it has been abandoned but someone "recently" opened an exterior pipe, perhaps someone is leaving breadcrumbs for her again.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1593599522

However, in addition, the dilapidated dining room contains the repaired elephant or an elephant that never broke. It is at the very least present Holly will later go back in time to fix.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1593604345

We don't see the broken elephant until after the time shift in the dining room when it disappears in the remote triggered time shift.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1593646142

I am thinking that Holly is attempting to mend or rebuild the past in Part 1, so naturally she wants to glue the elephant and find and replace the letters after she reads Grandma Martha's diary.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1593624794

But we don't know when the elephant was mended except that it had to be after Holly's grandmother died post 1994, I think.

Either Holly's desire to mend the past is being used to manipulate her or she is teaching herself to do so in Part 1.

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8dognight Dec 19, 2018 @ 4:01am 
I have another solid date:

1996 - Christopher Smith either finishes or is almost finished remodeling because that is the date the demon head was stolen unless that crafty so and so took the bust backward or forward in time.
8dognight Dec 19, 2018 @ 4:33am 
Originally posted by Ani Blade:
1) Jack knew Dahlia was alive. As of when? Why didn't he tell Elisabeth? She never mentioned finding out that Dahlia was alive in her tapes... that she apparently recorded the day she died.

2) Holly mentions that "her mother was right" about Dahlia still being alive. I can't find anything where her mother questioned it though.

Well, that puts me right back where I started in terms of suppositions because there is only one entity (I think only one) besides Holly herself who has been showing Holly things, and we all know who that is.

If that's the case, the remaining mysteries are what final indignity or savagery created HER; what is it Holly has been doing all these years in decade long blocks to get her to 2014; and the broader social context of the world Laudius, C, Smith, and Olivia Harper wish to create or have created. Oh, and is it extreme enough that Holly must take a stand for it or against it?

Also I have to change my mind and think Charles was, indeed, the one who told Elisabeth (I, too, keep changing how I spell this) about the souls although I now wonder if the ghastly experiments weren't designed to prevent unification.
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8dognight Dec 19, 2018 @ 9:00am 
The only other possibility is that Rachel Simmons is Holly's mother. I don't think that is very likely because Elisabeth loved her daughters and would not voluntarily have disappeared from their lives. Hair color as evidence doesn't work for me but emotional attachment does. And Holly reacts to the Simmons letter to Albert as if to third party corroboration.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1594587670

Then too, SHE could want Holly to believe SHE is her mother when SHE isn't.
Last edited by 8dognight; Dec 20, 2018 @ 8:41am
8dognight Dec 20, 2018 @ 8:58am 
For me, the weirdest temporal anomaly has to do with tape recorders. Azu has gone to great trouble to incorporate even the hint system into the story and play yet we accept Holly's hidden tape recorder as a given. That's okay with me. She had her own in the car or it was placed there so that she would have it with her when she regained consciousnees.

But that doesn't explain the journalist using and leaving tapes for Dan. Is he leaving them for Holly? Was he speaking into an I-Phone and he or someone else making cassette tapes later for Holly? Why isn't he texting in 2014? The answer can be as simple as no cell service in the middle of nowhere but I think there is more to it than that. Some possibilities are: texting forbidden by law or undeveloped in the timeline.

Certainly cell phone conversations and communications are unsafe in terms of security.

The journalist's tapes are pretty small as they fit in the battery slot for the camera, yet they play on the larger format machine Holly has unless hers were copied to fit a substituted mini recorder.

The journalist seems to have a reasonable expectation Dan will readily be able to hear the tapes.

And, finally, why do we find and have to use an external cassette machine inside the asylum?

None of these things are plot holes and all make me wonder if the journalist started in 2014.

ETA: What is the significance of the numbering on both sets? I guess it could be meant as a linear chronology independent of Holly's experience but that doesn't make a huge amount of sense either.
Last edited by 8dognight; Dec 20, 2018 @ 9:41am
8dognight Dec 21, 2018 @ 9:49am 
Past the middle of Act 1 and long after she has started listening to tapes, Holly locates a tape recorder. She says she doesn't want to carry it around with her unless she begins to locate some tapes. Okay, so maybe she meant music. Even so, she has previously heard tapes that look on the surface like the same format.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1597073583

At this point, my explanation is bleed over from an alternate reality or future or past with a slightly different tape format and Holly knows that either consciously or instinctively.
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ms52 Dec 22, 2018 @ 12:16am 
I think this is another time lapse, or alternate reality.
This walkman with headphones look from the 1980's.

Miniature casettes were introdduced much later.

Additionally, the comments "wonders of the modern technology" apply to now dinosaur extinct computers with floppy disks, that were popular in the early 1990's.

The times that we are shown are from the 80's and 90's, well before the year 2,000 and forward.

The cell phones did not exist in the 80s and were introdudced in the 90s, but were large and expensive, brick type sizes. Most of the people did not have cell phones then.

Hence no text messages.

I think that the tapes are a means for us to learn more about the characters and the plot, as are diary pages and notes we find.
8dognight Dec 22, 2018 @ 6:12am 
Originally posted by ms52:
I think this is another time lapse, or alternate reality.

I think that the tapes are a means for us to learn more about the characters and the plot, as are diary pages and notes we find.

As @Elena said to me about my first suggestion on integrating the theft of the Asmodeus bust into the tale, that is an unsatisfactory explanation. Of course, the journal and recordings inorporated therein exist to add characterization, further the plot, and help us (meaning Holly player character/us) keep things straight.

Modern game-based versions of semi-epistolary novels, TFFS 1 & 2 reveal their secrets largely through written materials, photos, and recordings.

But Goblinz never stops there. HOPA conventions are integrated into plot, and I don't believe for a minute the numerous strangely numbered tape recordings are dangling with no connection to the story. That is why I am asking.
Last edited by 8dognight; Dec 22, 2018 @ 6:30am
ms52 Dec 23, 2018 @ 12:58am 
I should have added:" the tapes are also a means for us ...."
Because the tapes are important, and they are numbered.
At this stage I don't know as many others don't know the full and true meaning of the tapes, connections with which reality or time lapses.
8dognight Dec 23, 2018 @ 9:24am 
Originally posted by ms52:
I should have added:" the tapes are also a means for us ...."
Because the tapes are important, and they are numbered.
At this stage I don't know as many others don't know the full and true meaning of the tapes, connections with which reality or time lapses.

Okay, good point, and I should have added that the case file and sections of the journal may be intended to conceal and misdirect as well as to reveal and organize this complex yarn.
8dognight Jan 8, 2019 @ 7:45am 
Originally posted by Ani Blade:
Alright, let's play around with this timeline a bit more, shall we?
If you have anything to add, please let me know!

?? - Jack begins speaking with HER.
?? - Jack moved to night shift.
?? - Jack and Elisabeth are arguing about something during the weeks leading up to the massacre. Jack is starting to act "different", especially after his shifts.

March 12, 1994 - Elisabeth dies. That same day, Jack starts killing.

Where did the March 12 date come from?

I think it might have been on the article about the massacre the first time we see it which wasn't at the quarantine gate. I am almost sure I saw that same clipping elsewhere and maybe it had a date.
Last edited by 8dognight; Jan 8, 2019 @ 7:52am
ms52 Jan 9, 2019 @ 1:35am 
@8dognight, the date 12 March 1994 is revealed in final moments of TF1, when Holly was listening to her Mother's Tape 3


https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1619419395
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