Lord of the lost ones bugged?

[Neocronic]

I have already 400 hp and 200 armor, when i try to kill this enemy in melee he just one shot me. I even try to use all potions i have, nothing changed. Also when i kill him with my bow he drop sword with 72 dps. Why if he have 72 dps sword he can one shot me with 400 hp? I don't know logic of this game.

[Neocronic]

Funny thing, Grotesque lost one, big guy with massive warhammer (67 dps) hit me for 10% of all my hp pool. I think Lord of lost ones bugged and have something like 999 dps.

[Nerevar]

the lord and lady of the lost ones are the anti melee enemies of this mod. they are boss tier creatures and are not very common to find. i reported this back then at launch and it is apparently intentional that they can pretty much oneshot you.

with a high tier divine armor spell and heavy armor you are able to tank hit from them at most. they always use the same weapon. its very very dangerous to engage them in melee combat unlike any other undead which are all easy in melee combat to defeat.

there is also some enemies which have stupid amounts of magic resist thus mages need and backup tool just like melee does. in your case you already used one of the solutions. a bow.

if you can kill them quickly enough or simply stagger them nonstop melee combat is possible. bait an attack make sure you dont get hit and then punish them. very risky tough as 1 mistake can be your end on them.

they also only show up on very high level dungeons in the game for a reason. most undead can vary in thier weapon type they use. which includes bows. there is a reason these guys are fixed on melee with a 2hander. 100% of the time.

[Neocronic]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

they also only show up on very high level dungeons in the game for a reason. most undead can vary in thier weapon type they use. which includes bows. there is a reason these guys are fixed on melee with a 2hander. 100% of the time.

I take first contract in Desert, need kill woman in crypt - 300 coins for head. In this crypt near this woman i saw 2 Lords of lost ones. I think they bodyguards or something, because they always here, even after restarts. Last time i see this lord in story quest in Living temple in first hall after entrance. But after rastart my save he gone. I think this random spawn here.

[jeffers0329]

Unless it was changed in Forgotten Stories, certain enemies (including Lord of the Lost Ones) have a stupid high attack multiplier, so they deal 5x - 7x more damage from their attacks. Effectively they'll almost always be guaranteed to kill you in one or two hits unless you use the Keeper memory that gives you extremely high damage resistance.

[Nerevar]

yeah keeper memory makes you unkillable for 6 seconds effectivly. funny fact : if you use the 100% of damage is reflected ability on them theyll oneshot themselfs XD

and no the lords and ladys are NOT random spawns. they are not. there is no random spawns in enderal. nearly all mobs are fixed in level and amount. there could be a few random spawns in very few areas probaly but most monsters are fixed. i can tell you where you WILL meet a lady or lord of the lost ones.

thats one of the good things about this mod. no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ leveled world as leveled world and loot defeats the point of exploreing entirely and bethetic has still not learnt that they got that partly right in morrowind which is why its still the best tes game even today as open world that is meaningless to explore for loot is nonsense by design. skyrim failed there harder than any other tes game ever before which is also to blame on its crafting system.

the only random loot youll find is clutterchests and jewerly cases. neither of which contain important items. if you found a setpiece inside a chest it was handplaced in THAT specific chest.

for example the unmarked crypt near dunehaim near the myrad tower ALWAYS has a lady in there. no matter your level. its not random at all.

some dungeons contain multiple lords of the lost ones. but most only 1 of em as they act as minibosses most the time. i also never saw them in pairs. only together with normal other undead.

HINT : ALWAYS loot lady and lords when you kill them. a few of them carry something you might want. all i will say. they dont always contain the same loot. often. but not always. dont think "i know what he drops no need to check" you also want to loot the commanders greatswords from the ladys anyway for easy money.

[ppaladin123]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

yeah keeper memory makes you unkillable for 6 seconds effectivly. funny fact : if you use the 100% of damage is reflected ability on them theyll oneshot themselfs XD

and no the lords and ladys are NOT random spawns. they are not. there is no random spawns in enderal. nearly all mobs are fixed in level and amount. there could be a few random spawns in very few areas probaly but most monsters are fixed. i can tell you where you WILL meet a lady or lord of the lost ones.

thats one of the good things about this mod. no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ leveled world as leveled world and loot defeats the point of exploreing entirely and bethetic has still not learnt that they got that partly right in morrowind which is why its still the best tes game even today as open world that is meaningless to explore for loot is nonsense by design. skyrim failed there harder than any other tes game ever before which is also to blame on its crafting system.

the only random loot youll find is clutterchests and jewerly cases. neither of which contain important items. if you found a setpiece inside a chest it was handplaced in THAT specific chest.

for example the unmarked crypt near dunehaim near the myrad tower ALWAYS has a lady in there. no matter your level. its not random at all.

some dungeons contain multiple lords of the lost ones. but most only 1 of em as they act as minibosses most the time. i also never saw them in pairs. only together with normal other undead.

HINT : ALWAYS loot lady and lords when you kill them. a few of them carry something you might want. all i will say. they dont always contain the same loot. often. but not always. dont think "i know what he drops no need to check" you also want to loot the commanders greatswords from the ladys anyway for easy money.

If you use tower of strength and iron maiden at the same time will it only reflect the 5% of damage that penetrates tower of strength or all 100%? Because that would be an amazing moment...walk right up to them and let them swing and they die and you are only slightly scratched.

[Nerevar]

Originally posted by ppaladin123:

Originally posted by Nerevar:

yeah keeper memory makes you unkillable for 6 seconds effectivly. funny fact : if you use the 100% of damage is reflected ability on them theyll oneshot themselfs XD

and no the lords and ladys are NOT random spawns. they are not. there is no random spawns in enderal. nearly all mobs are fixed in level and amount. there could be a few random spawns in very few areas probaly but most monsters are fixed. i can tell you where you WILL meet a lady or lord of the lost ones.

thats one of the good things about this mod. no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ leveled world as leveled world and loot defeats the point of exploreing entirely and bethetic has still not learnt that they got that partly right in morrowind which is why its still the best tes game even today as open world that is meaningless to explore for loot is nonsense by design. skyrim failed there harder than any other tes game ever before which is also to blame on its crafting system.

the only random loot youll find is clutterchests and jewerly cases. neither of which contain important items. if you found a setpiece inside a chest it was handplaced in THAT specific chest.

for example the unmarked crypt near dunehaim near the myrad tower ALWAYS has a lady in there. no matter your level. its not random at all.

some dungeons contain multiple lords of the lost ones. but most only 1 of em as they act as minibosses most the time. i also never saw them in pairs. only together with normal other undead.

HINT : ALWAYS loot lady and lords when you kill them. a few of them carry something you might want. all i will say. they dont always contain the same loot. often. but not always. dont think "i know what he drops no need to check" you also want to loot the commanders greatswords from the ladys anyway for easy money.

If you use tower of strength and iron maiden at the same time will it only reflect the 5% of damage that penetrates tower of strength or all 100%? Because that would be an amazing moment...walk right up to them and let them swing and they die and you are only slightly scratched.

not sure. never tryed this. as tower has such a short duration i never both with it. have to press the button way too often. plus its unneeded for any normal enemy. you would also have to switch abilites on the fly. it should work as its thier dmg that is reflected not the damage you recive.

i prefer divine shield lvl 4-6. the duration of that thing is insane. gives your mana a use as a melee. definitly get the perk for 35% boost for this on top. only costs 4 points in mage tree and also grants access to the enchanter perk which is also worth it for any build.

divine shield lvl 6 nearly doubles your armor rating with skaragg set you get close to 500 armor rating at lvl 15 heavy armor just trough bonuses. and that thing lasts 5 minutes instead of 6 seconds.

[DragonAlex]

If the laggs would not be so hard it would be much easyer. And this Skeleton-Lords with the 2h-weapon always onehit me If you do not shild-bash before. And I have full upgraded Skarab-Set on Exklusive and over 450 Live-Points...
So the damage is abnorm....
No it's even a bigger problem because I always get gamecrash since last update when the Lords or Dwarf-Centurios hit me....

[DragonAlex]

As I said I can't play any longer because I stand in front of a Lord of the lost ones and I get every time a game crash when he hits me....
Don't know why this animation or the fact that I get damage results into a game crash since the last patch but it's like this....
Have to wait for next patch but maybe I get than a crash if he only looks at me <.<

If it would be not so sad it would be kind of funny that the insane damage multiplier of the Lord is now even so strong that it kicks me always complete out of the game xD

[Deadbubble]

Originally posted by ppaladin123:

Originally posted by Nerevar:

yeah keeper memory makes you unkillable for 6 seconds effectivly. funny fact : if you use the 100% of damage is reflected ability on them theyll oneshot themselfs XD

and no the lords and ladys are NOT random spawns. they are not. there is no random spawns in enderal. nearly all mobs are fixed in level and amount. there could be a few random spawns in very few areas probaly but most monsters are fixed. i can tell you where you WILL meet a lady or lord of the lost ones.

thats one of the good things about this mod. no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ leveled world as leveled world and loot defeats the point of exploreing entirely and bethetic has still not learnt that they got that partly right in morrowind which is why its still the best tes game even today as open world that is meaningless to explore for loot is nonsense by design. skyrim failed there harder than any other tes game ever before which is also to blame on its crafting system.

the only random loot youll find is clutterchests and jewerly cases. neither of which contain important items. if you found a setpiece inside a chest it was handplaced in THAT specific chest.

for example the unmarked crypt near dunehaim near the myrad tower ALWAYS has a lady in there. no matter your level. its not random at all.

some dungeons contain multiple lords of the lost ones. but most only 1 of em as they act as minibosses most the time. i also never saw them in pairs. only together with normal other undead.

HINT : ALWAYS loot lady and lords when you kill them. a few of them carry something you might want. all i will say. they dont always contain the same loot. often. but not always. dont think "i know what he drops no need to check" you also want to loot the commanders greatswords from the ladys anyway for easy money.

If you use tower of strength and iron maiden at the same time will it only reflect the 5% of damage that penetrates tower of strength or all 100%? Because that would be an amazing moment...walk right up to them and let them swing and they die and you are only slightly scratched.

It specifices damage you take. Wiht Ironsight, you're only taking 25/15/5% damage, so it'll barely do anything. Thats my assumption, at least.

[ppaladin123]

Yeah I think Iron maiden with well of life would work better.

[Orim]

Their two handed commander sword is seriously overpowered- one hit,at ANY level or AC level (even over 400+) will almost always drain of of AT LEAST half my health, if not kill me outright. NO other major boss, gortesque or even 4+ diamond bounty creature does so much damage with a single hit....- even attempting to block with a shield does not work... I only start going after them aggressively when my sneak is high enough that they hesitate and I can always strike first, and maybe get a second shot/attack in...otherwise no go at low to medium levels...

[DragonAlex]

Another press on E for mine and another game crash. I tried again with the opimization programs on and off but nothing changed...
But I tried this time go to third-person camera before I pressed mining and then this was the part where it crashed.
That's than maybe the reason why it crashes in fights with big enemys like the Lord or something.
If they kill you with one hit you go to third-person camera too and see how you die. Of if you finish the enemy you see the animation too in third person.

So now I can say it is all connected to third-person -> crash
Some Ideas? xD

[Nerevar]

Originally posted by william.avery.robinson:

Their two handed commander sword is seriously overpowered- one hit,at ANY level or AC level (even over 400+) will almost always drain of of AT LEAST half my health, if not kill me outright. NO other major boss, gortesque or even 4+ diamond bounty creature does so much damage with a single hit....- even attempting to block with a shield does not work... I only start going after them aggressively when my sneak is high enough that they hesitate and I can always strike first, and maybe get a second shot/attack in...otherwise no go at low to medium levels...

has nothing to do with the sword itself. only the lady wields the commanders sword and yet both of them can easy oneshot you. its working as intended to force melee builds on a backup ranged option is my guess. a ticket on the bugtracker regarding this was closed recently aswell. so its working as intended. was like this since 2016. if this was a bug it would have long been fixed by now as it was reported enough times.

its simply these creatures have super high attack ratings in the CK. but given how rare they are overall its not a big deal. and they are always alone (never 2 of em) and you can always kite em and avoid thier attacks as its always a 2handed sword they carry.

that the commanders greatsword is too good for a generic weapon for the player is another story. but that balance issue was accepted at the bugtracker. so a fix for that is probaly comeing along with fixeing black windows elegy to be the actual best 2handed sword in exchange.

[DragonAlex]

I always fight the Lords in melee and never kite. Maybe I hit them 2 times with an arrow to make them 10-20% damage but the last 80% I make in close range. You need to fight with your shield and shield bash him always when he wants to hit you....