[SPOILER] Help with the Golden Sickle "Boss fight"

[Magmakojote]

I dont know how to beat Devra and Alyx, they both have energy shields, which make them basically immortal. During the fight I saw that you can deplete or destroy the shields, but I have no idea what I did in that moment.

I hope someone can help me, I hate being stuck in boss fights.

[White Lion(-B_E-)]

well you need to hit Devra and Alyx when they are down to weakened to 0% to destroy the energy shields on both i manage to win if you are like me and playing on expert you need a alot of spell buff and healing items om playing a melee/light Mage

[Magmakojote]

I am playing on Iron Path and because I had no idea how to beat them I turned on god mode and tried some things, including hitting them when they were down. A lot. Did not do anything they always recovered. I did this maybe 10 minutes and nothing happened, so I decided to ask someone.
Was it really just hitting them while they were "down"? If so then something is not right with my game.

[White Lion(-B_E-)]

they need to be downed it is the only why you can destroy the shields but both need to be down or else i think it wont work

[Magmakojote]

ok thank you, I am gonna try it some more, its not like I have much of a choice.

[Magmakojote]

well it works now, either it was a bug (I doubt it) or I am an idiot. Anyway thank you :D

[White Lion(-B_E-)]

np :) if you want more help with someting else ten add me :)

[Maelos]

Okay, so none of these messages helped me. They're both downed, literally same time, but they just instantly re-heal, do their retarded ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ annoying little explosion animation and are fine. Seriously ♥♥♥♥ this fight.

Edit: I even tried using god mode and kill command and they won't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ die.

Edit: Okay, just finished... I think... Fight is so damned buggy with dear red-eyes joining the fight when one of them goes down and then they both go attack the prone body of Dijaam?... Whatever, so if anyone's wondering: why aren't these things dying: you need to get both of them down and then attack one of them A ♥♥♥♥ TON to effectively kill one of them.

[Dwishy]

If you want to cheat your way out, this is what I did before I found out how to do it to normal way.
In console use these commands:

setessential 0013fa21 0
setessential 0013fa23 0

This should cause them to die the moment their health reaches 0.
Again, only use this if the regular way really doesn't want to work for some reason.

[Maelos]

Originally posted by Dwishy:

If you want to cheat your way out, this is what I did before I found out how to do it to normal way.
In console use these commands:

setessential 0013fa21 0
setessential 0013fa23 0

This should cause them to die the moment their health reaches 0.
Again, only use this if the regular way really doesn't want to work for some reason.

Yeah, I somehow made it work, but I still have no clue how. This bossfight is a bit meh imo... Needs some kind of decent explanation somewhere how to do it, because I just got lucky and have no idea how. Sometimes when they're downed and you shoot/hit them it makes a strange sizzling sound, does that mean I should keep attacking? Am I breaking their shield? or is that the sound of the shield absorbing my damage meaning I can't kill them? Does them glowing mean they've got the shield? I assume so, but downing them when they don't have the shield on just makes it magically reappear while downing them with their shield on should not do anything right? Also maybe they should consider increasing the down time for both of them, because they just instantly get up most times... Or does the shield disappear without you needing to do anything? Sometimes they would just stop glowing, does that mean I broke their shield then? But downing them in their non)shielded state just makes the shield pop up again... At least hide a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ manual somewhere, that way someone who looks around a bit could maybe actually do this...

[Magmakojote]

Yeah I did not enjoy this fight at all. I play on Iron Path and had no time to figure this shield mechanic out while fighting them. Wasted all my ressources taking the first and after that the second one down and then they just got up again. Had to switch to god mode to finish the fight, because getting stunned by one of them is most of the time a quick death for me, and without my health potions it was basically impssible to beat.

I wish I could have talked my way out of this fight. Playing a rethoric/alchemy heavy character, who is good at sneaking and one handed weapons, but nothing else is a terrible build for this boss fight.

The worst thing is just figuring out this shield mechanic while trying not to die immediately. I think with god mode enabled it took me atleast 5-10 minutes of fighting to take down their shields. The amount of potions I would have needed for a fight this long is hard to imagine.

Everything else before that boss fight was so easy, had no problems until then, so I did not expect such a difficult fight.

[wcc]

I think the biggest problem of this fight is that it's too close corners and too hectic to explain itself. And that Pennypouch joins the ongoing fight (maybe a bug? I could image that he did not like my Shock Nova, same as the observers in the arena fights) does not help either.

[jellybaby]

I battled with all sorts of spells and potions and weapons.In the end ,I summoned the Oorbaya,level 2.While he is fighting Alyx,who seems invincible,you can deal with Devra.By the time Pennypouches comes down to fight,you can easily be on top of the situation ,doing precious little .I might go back and do it again,it was so satisfying after many many attempts with spells and potions .

[Arcion Holy Windmaster]

ya Alyx is a damn glitcher my arrows cant shoot through the damn hard wood floor im on but his lightning is auto-hit please change this

[threesixty]

Laughing.

Love the mod, but this is one of those hopelessly contrived scenarios that were common in commercial games a few years ago.
We have a tableop gaming group made of writers and designers where this kind of thing is comically nicknamed “THE THREE MAGIC TESTICLES”.

If a scenario looks really fishy, a player will ask the Game Master, “This isn’t going the be he Three Magic Testicles, is it?”

If the group finds the Game Master guilty, he’s only allowed to continue playing if he wears his underwear on his head for the rest of the night.

The name comes from a parody we sent to one of our buddies who was notorious for this kind of thing.

Here it is, almost verbatim from the original from a few years ago:


The Three Magic Testicles:

Game Master: When you enter the room, the door closes a locks behind you... it’s a magical door.

Players: We didn’t say we went in. We just opened the door.

Game Master: Um... a wind blows you all in and the door locks behind you.

Players: A magical wind?

Game Master: ...... Yes.

Players: We cast an unlock spell on the door.

Game Master: It doesn’t work.

Players: Because it’s a magical door, right?

Game Master: Right! So you find yourself in a 5x5 room and you’re immediately attacked by a giant ogre wearing nothing but blue pants, and his ferocious companion weiner dog.

Players: Ok, we’ll bite. We all attack him with all our weapons and magical spells and s***.
Players: Let us guess. None of that does any damage.

Game Master: Right! He’s invulnerable.

Players: Perfect.
Players: How about this? Let’s agree that we died a dozen times and that all the magical armor and weapons and spells and s*** we’ve been traipsing around collecting for the last week suddenly don’t work and you tell us how we kill this a**-hole.

Game Master: But?.... The fun is trying random arbitrary things over and over until you find out!

Players: Your idea of fun and ours vary considerably. For instance, scouring our sacks with wire brushes is fun compared to this.

Game Master. Aww... ok.
Game Master: So, his blue pants are “magical-pants-of-your-s***-doesn’t work”. He only takes damage when his pants fall down.



Players: WTF? And how do we make that happen?

Game Master: You have to attack his ferocious companion weiner dog.

Players: Until he dies?

Game Master: No. He can’t die.

Players: Because he’s a magical weiner dog.

Game Master: Right! You attack him until he gets so angry he goes crazy and pulls the ogre’s pants down.

Players: That makes perfect sense, now that we know.

Game Master: I know! So, when the ogre’s pants fall down, you’ll see he has THREE TESTICLES!

Players: Magic testicles?

Game Master: EXACTLY!! One of them will light up, and you have to shoot that testicle. But you have to do it fast, because after three seconds the ogre pulls his pants up and you have to attack the weiner dog again so he pulls the pants down again.

Players: And eventually, we have to shoot the testicle until the ogre’s health goes to zero?

Game Master: YES.

Players: And then he dies?


Game Master: Noooooo. He gets up and his health goes back to 100%!

Players: FFS.
Players: Sooooo...we have to do all this three times?

Game Master: Right. Because he has THREE testicles... get it?
Game Master: .... and they’re magic testicles.

Players: So, you know we’re only letting you play the rest of the night if you agree to wear your underwear over your head, right?

Game Master: Dang. I’ll go do that now.

Players: Don’t forget to load the beer fridge on your way.

[JackBaldy]

Originally posted by threesixty:

Laughing.

Love the mod, but this is one of those hopelessly contrived scenarios that were common in commercial games a few years ago.

In my opinion, this is one of the few boss fights in the Skyrim engine that feels like a boss fight. It's honestly not all that difficult either provided that your character is adequately strong enough to complete the quest-line.

If I recall correctly, the quest-line is generally of the very hard variety, meaning you should be somewhere in the level 40+ range. And if one is purposefully playing on the "Iron Path" difficulty and can't complete this quest... then maybe they're not good enough as a player and/or character to complete this quest on "Iron Path" difficulty?

And that's more player error than anything else. With proper equipment you can:

* Down the melee Petrified easily
* Rush towards the magic Petrified and down them
* Destroy their shields and them in the process
* Then Mendelus joins the fight (2 v 1 fight again)
* You can take Mendelus out first if you'd like (Order is not important here)
* Then it's just a matter of easily downing the melee Petrified and destroying their shields

The melee Petrified has a two-handed weapon which means they're easier to dodge. Not to mention you as a player can easily use the spell Winterskin to make evasion easier. Yes, the fight is not super straight forward (Although not that complex either, to be fair), but that's what makes it interesting and not just another generic 2 v 1 fight with bandits.