DLC for adding Phillipines, Indonesia, and Polynesia?

[James3157]

Although Philippines started to get colonized during the AoE III: DE time period by Spanish is it possible for the Phillipines to eventually get added to AoE III: DE? Important to keep in mind that India was also being colonized by the British as well during this time period and not just the Philippines, but they were eventually added to AoE III: DE. Out of all civilizations I would like to think that Philippines could potentially get added eventually to AoE III: DE from a DLC and perhaps Polynesia could be added as well. Another civilization that I am surprised has not been added yet to AoE III: DE is Indonesia, because it has a huge population as well.

[James3157]

Polynesia is based on a large group of islands in the Pacific Ocean, but it would be interesting if Polynesia was eventually added to AoE III: DE as well. There are also Melanesia (near Australia and Indonesia which part of its range also includes Indonesia at the border of Paupa New Guinea) and Micronesia (closest to Philippines, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, and Japan) as well, but Polynesia I think stands out the most. It is also worth pointing out as well that Micronesia has the lowest population count out of all three meaning they are the least likely to added to AoE III: DE in addition to Melanesia due to the fact its range overlaps a small part of Indonesia.

[ThunderClap]

Thailand too

[.:Jj:.]

Doesn't sound interesting or thematically appealing as a DLC.

[James3157]

Originally posted by costencucaius:

Thailand too

It seems to me that more could be added just from Asia alone and especially from southeast Asia. If and when the next dlc is coming out I am betting is probably going to be based on somewhere from Asia.

[Lotor13]

Originally posted by .:Jj:.:

Doesn't sound interesting or thematically appealing as a DLC.

+1

Persia and Poland would be more inresting

[Catalytic]

If you want such a DLC, why not take the time and put forward a fully thought out suggestion for how you'd like each of those new civs to play? What makes them unique and interesting? What do they add strategically to the game that isn't already there? How do they fit into the history of the period. What historical battles make sense to highlight? Which explorers would be on the list? (It's harder than it looks to do it well)

[James3157]

One of the easiest ways to find out history of countries like Indonesia, Philippines, and Polynesia is using the Wikipedia. As for the Polynesians I think it has to do with the fact that less is known about these people during this time period than Indonesia and the Philippines. It would be interesting for Polynesians to be added, but it is worth pointing out that some of the Polynesian islands did not really have much if any contact with foreigners until the 19th century. With Polynesians I think that it would be more practical to add them for AoE III: DE than games based on older ages from AoE: DE, AoE II: DE, and AoE IV, but I could also understand why there is a chance they might never be added to AoE III: DE regardless of how fascinating these people seem to be and their history.

[Catalytic]

Originally posted by James3157:

One of the easiest ways to find out history of countries like Indonesia, Philippines, and Polynesia is using the Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is not a source. It is the world's most biased tertiary information source. Its only use is to provide a starting point for a proper literature search on a topic. It is not a complete reference list. It is a biased one that only reflects the bias of the supereditors who last culled it for "misinformation"/facts they didn't like. More research is always necessary to gain a complete understanding of the topic. Wikipedia is at best a totally optional starting point.

Further, telling me to go read up on the topic is not a substitute for you failing to do your own reading and distill that reading into a coherent suggestion for integrating that knowledge into a game. I'm not the one asking for this. You are. You need to make your case if you want to convince anyone. I'm not going to do your homework for you, nor are the devs.

So far your only justification for the subject is that you subjectively think they're "worth" adding, you find them "fascinating", and it would be "practical" in your opinion to add them. You haven't answered the key question though: how?

To reiterate:

Originally posted by Catalytic:

What makes them unique and interesting? What do they add strategically to the game that isn't already there? How do they fit into the history of the period? What historical battles make sense to highlight? Which explorers would be on the list? (It's harder than it looks to do it well)

Edit: Here are a couple of very high quality suggestions that have been put forward by other forum members that have very detailed, well-thought out proposals for changes to the game.

Meiji Restoration as a revolution for Japan:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/933110/discussions/0/3803903751087817686/

A new Persian civ:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/933110/discussions/0/3418808914566750006/

[James3157]

There were indigenous revolts during Spanish occupation of the Philippines. Multiple revolts in fact where Microsoft could very easily add at least one Filipino revolt. Also, a historical battle could take place as well for Indonesia vs. Dutch East Indies (Dutch civilization). The biggest problem with Dutch East Indies is that they were known for being exploitative towards the people of Indonesia making a potential conflict with them entirely possible as well where perhaps you would be playing as Indonesia. As for Polynesia, I already made my point across about them.

[midori]

Originally posted by Lotor13:

Originally posted by .:Jj:.:

Doesn't sound interesting or thematically appealing as a DLC.

+1

Persia and Poland would be more inresting

they all sound interesting, tbh.

[.:Jj:.]

Originally posted by midorifox:

they all sound interesting, tbh.

For some people, a concept of DLC like that is interesting, for some it is not. It's a personal preference, not an argument about objective fact. What is closer to that is a discussion about buissness viability of a thingl ike that, which is mostl ikely very low.

3DE is not suffering from the lack of civs, revolutions and other venues for depth like deck customization or natives/royal houses.
People that didn't buy 3DE won't buy it because of Polynesia, but they might because of some actual real single-player content and previous DLCs have been offering mostly just a few historical battles, which is not a lot.

It's attractive for a fraction of a fraction.

[Scintilus]

philippines should be atleast a revolution for spanish, germans, british and dutch. all of these 4 countries depsite how brief colonize the islands.

[James3157]

The only hard part with adding the Philippines is figuring out what they would have used for a unique unit(s) during this time period; although, it would probably be something indigenous related similar to the natives civilizations involving the Americas (such as Incas, Aztecs, Lakota, and etc...). What cards would need to used for Indonesia and Philippines would need to be figured out as well. When it comes to figuring out what Indonesia would have used for a unique unit on AoE III: DE that is actually easier because of Civilization V (which also included Polynesians and Indonesians as well; although, as mentioned previously the hard part with Polynesians I think is figuring out what they would have had for a historical battle during this time period and not what they would have used for cards and unique unit(s) ) which is a different game than this series, but helps give you a better idea of what the Indonesians might have used during this time period. Something similar to Indonesia is also included as well on AoE II: DE called Malay, because they are neighbors with Indonesia.

Originally posted by Scintilus:

philippines should be atleast a revolution for spanish, germans, british and dutch. all of these 4 countries depsite how brief colonize the islands.

Spanish colonization of the Philippines was not brief and them colonizing the Philippines was also longer than any other civilization as well starting from the 16th century which fits the time frame of this game perfectly. Philippines in fact did not get full independence until 1946. The United States also owned the Philippines at one point, but that was not until much later. The reason why the Philippines is predominantly Roman Catholic (similar to Mexico) is because of the Spanish.

[James3157]

To find a Polynesian historical battle during this time period I had to do more research about this. There was apparently a Franco-Tahitian War that lasted from 1844–1847 which would have taken place during the Industrial Age. As mentioned previously Civilization V already gives you an idea what the Polynesians might used for unique units (similar to Indonesia) and if a historical battle is needed as well this would be a good example. Tahitians also used guerrilla warfare tactics as well when fighting the French if you look up online about this war. If Polynesia was added to AoE III: DE it would probably be called Polynesian or Tahitian with the latter of which might make more sense than Polynesian, because it shares the same name as Polynesia from Civilization V. Alternatively, the civilization would still be called Polynesian, but called called Tahitian from the historical battle similar to the fact that Canada is included from a historical battle, but Canada does not actually exist as a civilization on this game yet.

[Scintilus]

Originally posted by James3157:

The only hard part with adding the Philippines is figuring out what they would have used for a unique unit(s) during this time period; although, it would probably be something indigenous related similar to the natives civilizations involving the Americas (such as Incas, Aztecs, Lakota, and etc...). What cards would need to used for Indonesia and Philippines would need to be figured out as well. When it comes to figuring out what Indonesia would have used for a unique unit on AoE III: DE that is actually easier because of Civilization V (which also included Polynesians and Indonesians as well; although, as mentioned previously the hard part with Polynesians I think is figuring out what they would have had for a historical battle during this time period and not what they would have used for cards and unique unit(s) ) which is a different game than this series, but helps give you a better idea of what the Indonesians might have used during this time period. Something similar to Indonesia is also included as well on AoE II: DE called Malay, because they are neighbors with Indonesia.

Originally posted by Scintilus:

philippines should be atleast a revolution for spanish, germans, british and dutch. all of these 4 countries depsite how brief colonize the islands.

Spanish colonization of the Philippines was not brief and them colonizing the Philippines was also longer than any other civilization as well starting from the 16th century which fits the time frame of this game perfectly. Philippines in fact did not get full independence until 1946. The United States also owned the Philippines at one point, but that was not until much later. The reason why the Philippines is predominantly Roman Catholic (similar to Mexico) is because of the Spanish.

Im referring to the germans, british and dutch. I know that spaniards colonized the philippines for 300 years so they must be a revolt for Spain 100%.