Game optimization/performance is really bad....

[Phoenixeon]

So I am rocking an Intel Core i7-3820 CPU @ 3.60GHz with 16GB RAM and a NVIDIA GTX 1070 6GB.
I saw the 'recommended' system requirements on the store page and my rig certainly falls above those.
But EVEN not on max settings I get horrible fps, especially when I zoom in while playing (I'm talking the vast portion of settings turned down to medium like the textures). 4 player battles or higher are really laggy, and even worse in games like deathmatch when everyone can create massive armies and towns.
Also, the game's textures and graphics are really strong and oversaturated, especially on lower settings. I struggle to tell units apart or even notice batches of units standing on heavily detailed ground textures. My experience with all this is just really sh** compared to the original AoE3 which was much clearer.
Is it just me? Or they just messed up the optimization for this game big time..

[MIND__LINK]

Its not as easy to run as the requirements suggest. I get drops below 60fps with my 6700k and 1080ti. I am playing at 3440x1440 though.

Edit: That said, I forget that most recommended requirements seem to be aiming for 1080p and 60fps.

[The_Renegade09]

Not just you. Game runs like trash on my system (RX 480, i5 7500, 16 GB Ram) as well. Foliage and water seem to be the worst resource hogs for me. Foliage can be fixed by lowering the setting, but maps with lots of water always lag like hell, no matter the setting.

[HE1NZ]

Your CPU is ancient and the rest isn't that great either.

[The Average Aaron ♪]

I have a Ryzen 9 3900x, RTX 2070 and 32 GB of ram and I have frequent and very random frame dips that last a few minutes

[Ghost Robertson]

Originally posted by MIND__LINK:

Edit: That said, I forget that most recommended requirements seem to be aiming for 1080p and 60fps.

I do think that's it in a nutshell, Basically recommended requirements are almost always for 1080p.

I would upgrade my monitor but then you need a more powerful computer for the higher resolutions, I'm quite happy with how things look at 1080p.

[Ghost Robertson]

Originally posted by Kuraz:

But EVEN not on max settings I get horrible fps, especially when I zoom in while playing (I'm talking the vast portion of settings turned down to medium like the textures). 4 player battles or higher are really laggy, and even worse in games like deathmatch when everyone can create massive armies and towns.

Originally posted by The Average Aaron ♪:

I have a Ryzen 9 3900x, RTX 2070 and 32 GB of ram and I have frequent and very random frame dips that last a few minutes

Oh and this lag you two are mentioning, can you enable V-sync in the AOE3:DE options as well as in Nvidia settings from windows?

When i have V-sync off in the game but enabled in windows i get bad lag or screen tearing but having it enabled in both windows and the game, Things run perfectly.

[GR|M " 死神 " Reap3R]

Well I guess I wasn't alone, I was playing one of the Campaign.
I'm on 1440p Res, most my settings are on High though.
10900K + 2080 Super.

But during that missions, some weird reason. The game's FPS dip tremendously low !
Even there wasn't a huge battle, on my screen. I dip low as 30 FPS....

This game some reason have horrible frame time, it spikes all over the places.
What I notice is the game barely utilizing most of the CPU Cores.
My Overall CPU Usage is sitting way below 10 - 20% most the time. Which is a really bad thing.

But what I saw is it doesn't seem like the game is even pegging on any of my other Cores.
It have High Usage, but not like 99% all the time which some game does.
I feel like the game is barely utilizing what we provide....

[Phoenixeon]

Originally posted by HE1NZ:

Your CPU is ancient and the rest isn't that great either.

Yea, my rig is far from amazing for sure. But it comfortably runs old triple-a titles like witcher 3, gta 5 and doom eternal on max. How can that be given AoE3 DEs graphics are pretty meh, most aspects about them are not really better from the original, aside the texture upgrades.

and yeah... from other responses here, who have better specs then me, it's evident the game is poorly optimized. F

[Phoenixeon]

Originally posted by MIND__LINK:

Its not as easy to run as the requirements suggest. I get drops below 60fps with my 6700k and 1080ti. I am playing at 3440x1440 though.

Edit: That said, I forget that most recommended requirements seem to be aiming for 1080p and 60fps.

I am in fact running it on 1080p and it sucks.

[HE1NZ]

Originally posted by Kuraz:

Originally posted by HE1NZ:

Your CPU is ancient and the rest isn't that great either.

Yea, my rig is far from amazing for sure. But it comfortably runs old triple-a titles like witcher 3, gta 5 and doom eternal on max. How can that be given AoE3 DEs graphics are pretty meh, most aspects about them are not really better from the original, aside the texture upgrades.

and yeah... from other responses here, who have better specs then me, it's evident the game is poorly optimized. F

Games you've mentioned are from consoles that have poor CPUs. AoE is a PC exclusive and an RTS game, a CPU demanding genre. I have i7 8700k and run the game smoothly except in multiplayer when it's 4v4 or other.

[Phoenixeon]

Originally posted by HE1NZ:

Originally posted by Kuraz:

Yea, my rig is far from amazing for sure. But it comfortably runs old triple-a titles like witcher 3, gta 5 and doom eternal on max. How can that be given AoE3 DEs graphics are pretty meh, most aspects about them are not really better from the original, aside the texture upgrades.

and yeah... from other responses here, who have better specs then me, it's evident the game is poorly optimized. F

Games you've mentioned are from consoles that have poor CPUs. AoE is a PC exclusive and an RTS game, a CPU demanding genre. I have i7 8700k and run the game smoothly except in multiplayer when it's 4v4 or other.

From my experience PC exclusive games made by smaller committed developers are normally the BEST optimized since they don’t need to juggle handling them on multiple consoles. As for RTS games being ‘CPU defining genre’ that does make sense but I’ve played some share of them from the last decade, including XCOM 2 and Company of Heroes 2 which believe it or not, performed better than AOE3DE bs on my same rig on higher end settings. I also can play AoE2 DE flawlessly, but given that's more of a low-end classic RTS visual style, it probably does not count.
AoE3 DE visually speaking, is just a big texture upgrade of the old 2005 original, which many would also agree, had better water reflections, better building/ship destruction animations and in some instances, even better lighting effects than DE. If your telling me I need both a high-end CPU and GPU to run a game that actually downgraded some of its features in its definitive edition, then the devs can stick it where the sun don't shine.

[HE1NZ]

Originally posted by Kuraz:

Originally posted by HE1NZ:

Games you've mentioned are from consoles that have poor CPUs. AoE is a PC exclusive and an RTS game, a CPU demanding genre. I have i7 8700k and run the game smoothly except in multiplayer when it's 4v4 or other.

From my experience PC exclusive games made by smaller committed developers are normally the BEST optimized since they don’t need to juggle handling them on multiple consoles. As for RTS games being ‘CPU defining genre’ that does make sense but I’ve played some share of them from the last decade, including XCOM 2 and Company of Heroes 2 which believe it or not, performed better than AOE3DE bs on my same rig on higher end settings. I also can play AoE2 DE flawlessly, but given that's more of a low-end classic RTS visual style, it probably does not count.
AoE3 DE visually speaking, is just a big texture upgrade of the old 2005 original, which many would also agree, had better water reflections, better building/ship destruction animations and in some instances, even better lighting effects than DE. If your telling me I need both a high-end CPU and GPU to run a game that actually downgraded some of its features in its definitive edition, then the devs can stick it where the sun don't shine.

You seem like one of those people expecting the remaster to carry the same requirements of the original. Why would you? It's a 2020 game. CoH is from 2012 and X-Com is a turn based game.
Age III DE is more than just texture update, all 3D models have improved geometry too, among other things. But whether you think Age III warrants it or not you need an upgrade.

[Phoenixeon]

Originally posted by HE1NZ:

Originally posted by Kuraz:

From my experience PC exclusive games made by smaller committed developers are normally the BEST optimized since they don’t need to juggle handling them on multiple consoles. As for RTS games being ‘CPU defining genre’ that does make sense but I’ve played some share of them from the last decade, including XCOM 2 and Company of Heroes 2 which believe it or not, performed better than AOE3DE bs on my same rig on higher end settings. I also can play AoE2 DE flawlessly, but given that's more of a low-end classic RTS visual style, it probably does not count.
AoE3 DE visually speaking, is just a big texture upgrade of the old 2005 original, which many would also agree, had better water reflections, better building/ship destruction animations and in some instances, even better lighting effects than DE. If your telling me I need both a high-end CPU and GPU to run a game that actually downgraded some of its features in its definitive edition, then the devs can stick it where the sun don't shine.

You seem like one of those people expecting the remaster to carry the same requirements of the original. Why would you? It's a 2020 game. CoH is from 2012 and X-Com is a turn based game.
Age III DE is more than just texture update, all 3D models have improved geometry too, among other things. But whether you think Age III warrants it or not you need an upgrade.

Dude, the requirements of the original game were many generations older from my current specs..... I don't know how old you are, but there is in fact a huge difference between a geforce 7900 GTX and the CPUs of that time over a GTX 1070 and my current CPU.

And I think it's a no brainer that I can't justify upgrading just to experience these trival AOE3DE visuals at full performance. As I said before, despite the texture upgrades and 'improved geometry' you describe, the game does look worse in other regards.
And it doesn't help the situation, when at initial startup of AOE3DE, it supposedly detects that my system can play it on max, like wtf.

And your bold to assume that I need an upgrade regardless of this. I easily run a lot of good relevant games that satisfy me to this day on max. Games like Deep Rock Galactic, Rocket League, Killing Floor 2, GTA 5, PUBG all run fine, and for most people, they are more fun than AoE3 altogether.

[GR|M " 死神 " Reap3R]

Let's put this argument to an end.
I play both AOE 2 Definitive, AOE 3 Definitive.
AOE 2 Definitive ran lot better, I know different graphics and game. But just pointing that out.

I also play Spellforce 3, a WAY more beautiful game and larger game than AOE 3 Definitive Edition and I ran that game EZ with my PC....
I never dip below 60 FPS even in a HUGE battles...
I max out almost all settings except Shadow that thing is crazy demanding if I max it out.

Let me compare a more different game, AC Odyssey, poorly optimized. Far far bigger open world game than AOE 3 Definitive....that game will really eat your CPU...

But I ran it fun...never dip hard as AOE 3 ever.....
What about Division 2 as well ??

Bottom line, something is definitely not right with AOE 3 Definitive Edition. That's a fact...

[Phoenixeon]

Originally posted by GR|M " 死神 " Reap3R:

Let's put this argument to an end.
I play both AOE 2 Definitive, AOE 3 Definitive.
AOE 2 Definitive ran lot better, I know different graphics and game. But just pointing that out.

I also play Spellforce 3, a WAY more beautiful game and larger game than AOE 3 Definitive Edition and I ran that game EZ with my PC....
I never dip below 60 FPS even in a HUGE battles...
I max out almost all settings except Shadow that thing is crazy demanding if I max it out.

Let me compare a more different game, AC Odyssey, poorly optimized. Far far bigger open world game than AOE 3 Definitive....that game will really eat your CPU...

But I ran it fun...never dip hard as AOE 3 ever.....
What about Division 2 as well ??

Bottom line, something is definitely not right with AOE 3 Definitive Edition. That's a fact...

Thank you Reap3R for your statement. I was planning on stopping. I really don't need any validation as it's very clear a lot of people are in the same boat as me with better systems. I thought the arguments with HE1NZ were more on the constructive side, however the part he proclaimed I unconditionally 'need' to upgrade basically discloses what type of person he is.