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Druppi 2020 年 9 月 4 日 下午 2:30
First RTS game with Raytracing?
Let us get the first RTS game with Raytracing!

I am a big Raytracing fan. NVIDIA has just shown it's new RTX 3000 series which will provide the second generation of Raytracing. AMD has promised to be ready for Raytracing with the RDNA2 architecture.

The thing is: There is still no RTS game with Raytracing. I am very interested in Raytracing and would love to see my beloved AoE 2 DE and the upcoming AoE 3 DE with Raytracing! Dear devs, please don't miss this opportunity to bring us the first RTS game with Raytracing. There is so much you can do! It would look awesomely. You already won the race for the best RTS remake. Win the race for the first Raytracing RTS!

I am happy about every answer this thread gets.

Every /signed shows that we are really interested to see our favorite RTS games being Raytracing ready. (You can always switch it off when it's there but you can't switch it on if it's not there.)
最後修改者：Druppi; 2020 年 9 月 7 日 下午 5:55
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Chelle 2020 年 9 月 7 日 下午 8:19 
Yes that would be amazing.
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Thor II 2020 年 9 月 7 日 下午 9:46 
What is Raytracing anyway? What exactly would that do in an RTS to be so amazing?

What video card would someone need to gain access to this function? What monitor would someone need to gain access to this function?
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Chelle 2020 年 9 月 7 日 下午 10:01 
引用自 Thor II：
What is Raytracing anyway? What exactly would that do in an RTS to be so amazing?

What video card would someone need to gain access to this function? What monitor would someone need to gain access to this function?
An RTX card of some description would be needed ( new ones are imminent to be released ). Any monitor really would be good.
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Druppi 2020 年 9 月 9 日 下午 4:09 
引用自 Thor II：
What is Raytracing anyway? What exactly would that do in an RTS to be so amazing?

What video card would someone need to gain access to this function? What monitor would someone need to gain access to this function?


Raytracing allows the realistic calculation of light in real time. Here is a demo that shows marbles reflecting light on a table at night. Every surface reflects light in a different kind of way matching its physical material properties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgcYLIvlp_k

Imagine having an RTS game in which terrains, trees, stone, gold, water, ships and everything reflect light in a realistic way. Even the shadows of each units from the sunlight or large soft shadows could be calculated in real time.

To get Raytracing you need a NVIDIA RTX card or AMD RDNA2 card. Anyway, you can always turn it off and go back to the normal graphics.

I hope I explained this well. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask!
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Druppi 2020 年 9 月 10 日 上午 7:01 
引用自 Ralsei：
引用自 Druppi：

AoE veterans are older and have more money than for example the typical Fortnite player. I am ready for Raytracing :)



Watch the NVIDIA Marbles at Night Demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgcYLIvlp_k

if you are interested in what Raytracing can bring to an RTS game.

You can find more about the topic here:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/933110/discussions/0/2945872608892281259/
Idk man, I have a 2080S, I still don't think that Raytracing support is needed or will ever be a thing for this type of games.

Of course you would be excited if you would see AoE DEs and AoE 4 with Raytracing. The meme of "buys 2080 - plays AoE" would be finally done. You would see everything way better illuminated and the shadows would be much better. Also, the 3D units would look awesome because skin reflects light in a different way than plate armor for example.
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Marshal 2020 年 9 月 10 日 上午 8:02 
引用自 Druppi：
引用自 Ralsei：
Idk man, I have a 2080S, I still don't think that Raytracing support is needed or will ever be a thing for this type of games.

Of course you would be excited if you would see AoE DEs and AoE 4 with Raytracing. The meme of "buys 2080 - plays AoE" would be finally done. You would see everything way better illuminated and the shadows would be much better. Also, the 3D units would look awesome because skin reflects light in a different way than plate armor for example.
It would be a neat addition but I doubt this game will have it. Maybe AoE 4.
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????? 2020 年 9 月 10 日 上午 9:36 
Raytracing in AoE2 lol... Get off your drugs, buddy.
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Druppi 2020 年 9 月 10 日 上午 10:01 
引用自 Marshal：
引用自 Druppi：

Of course you would be excited if you would see AoE DEs and AoE 4 with Raytracing. The meme of "buys 2080 - plays AoE" would be finally done. You would see everything way better illuminated and the shadows would be much better. Also, the 3D units would look awesome because skin reflects light in a different way than plate armor for example.
It would be a neat addition but I doubt this game will have it. Maybe AoE 4.
Of couse it would be super nice. AoE 4 must have it because it will be a next gen game. If AoE 4 doesn't get it, they saved money on the wrong end.

引用自 FULL*FRONTAL*ALCHEMIST：
Raytracing in AoE2 lol... Get off your drugs, buddy.
What drugs? It is not impossible. AoE 3 DE has detailed 3D units. Also, Basic Raytracing is not that hard to implement.
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????? 2020 年 9 月 10 日 下午 2:53 
引用自 Druppi：
引用自 Marshal：
It would be a neat addition but I doubt this game will have it. Maybe AoE 4.
Of couse it would be super nice. AoE 4 must have it because it will be a next gen game. If AoE 4 doesn't get it, they saved money on the wrong end.

引用自 FULL*FRONTAL*ALCHEMIST：
Raytracing in AoE2 lol... Get off your drugs, buddy.
What drugs? It is not impossible. AoE 3 DE has detailed 3D units. Also, Basic Raytracing is not that hard to implement.

What would you want to raytrace in a 2D game?
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Druppi 2020 年 9 月 10 日 下午 4:59 
引用自 Bangklang：
Soooo? the video shows multiple angles, 3D room perspective and rays during night.
In aoe 3 you are watching the game from TOP Perspective. There really needs to be a night/day cycle to actually make ray tracing worth it. There wont be any (officially) and for a few custom scenarios, i dont they the option that into the allready finsihed game...

when i play i zoom out the furthest possible, as most pros do. So, yeah, again - where exactly can i appreciate any rays and reflexion in the game?
Thats probably the reason its not yet in any rts, since it doesnt really make sense.
it would perhaps make sense in aoe 4 if they offer more playing angles...

Look, you can have multiple angles, 3D room perspective and rays in Age of Empires, too. There is no day and night cycle but it is not neccessary at all to see the benefits of Raytracing. (Although night missions would look awesome.) You should look for information about Raytracing!

It improves the depiction of everything that is illuminated in any kind of way because material properties can be shown in a completely new way. (cloth, leather, plate, stone, ...)

Even if you zoom out as far as possible you will see all the details. AoE 2 DE supports 4K. If Full HD is not enough for you, get a 4K monitor. But you can zoom in anytime and most players I know play in a middle zoom because micro management is way too hard if you are completely zoomed out.
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Druppi 2020 年 9 月 10 日 下午 5:02 
引用自 FULL*FRONTAL*ALCHEMIST：
引用自 Druppi：
Of couse it would be super nice. AoE 4 must have it because it will be a next gen game. If AoE 4 doesn't get it, they saved money on the wrong end.


What drugs? It is not impossible. AoE 3 DE has detailed 3D units. Also, Basic Raytracing is not that hard to implement.

What would you want to raytrace in a 2D game?
Age of Empires 2 is not really a 2D game. 2D is something like Tetris. Age of Empires 2 allows you to see more than one side of things. It shoud be something like 2,5D. When it comes to terrain, Ensemble Studios developed a new terrain system for The Age of Kings, with 3D presentation capabilities for Age of Empires 2[en.wikipedia.org]. Age of Empires 3 is completely 3D and this is the Age of Empires 3 DE forum so it fits! :steamhappy:
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????? 2020 年 9 月 11 日 上午 11:59 
Models in AoE2 are not 3D so raytrace would achieve nothing, there's also no realtime shadows or lighting.
#12
Druppi 2020 年 9 月 11 日 下午 2:28 
引用自 FULL*FRONTAL*ALCHEMIST：
Models in AoE2 are not 3D so raytrace would achieve nothing, there's also no realtime shadows or lighting.
It is true that the models are not 3D. But 3D models exist because they had to make 2D shots of 3D models to make the new AoE 2 DE models. Anyway, this is about AoE 3 DE to be the first RTS game with Raytracing!
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????? 2020 年 9 月 11 日 下午 2:30 
引用自 Druppi：
引用自 FULL*FRONTAL*ALCHEMIST：
Models in AoE2 are not 3D so raytrace would achieve nothing, there's also no realtime shadows or lighting.
It is true that the models are not 3D. But 3D models exist because they had to make 2D shots of 3D models to make the new AoE 2 DE models. Anyway, this is about AoE 3 DE to be the first RTS game with Raytracing!

Well, I guess it's possible then. The engine is old tho and would require a lot of tailoring re-coding.
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Agent 2020 年 9 月 11 日 下午 2:37 
You're assuming most people who buy this game have an RTX gpu and not some gpu from 2010? lol
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