Alchemia

Alchemia

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sekito34 Nov 7, 2018 @ 10:00am
Are we not supposed to solve this alone?
So, I'm guessing that since no one is saying they completed the game - no one has at this point. And considering the lack of any hints, I'm going to guess that the intent of the game was to be an ARG-sort of game, where players need to get together to share their ideas.

I've just spent several hours on the page with the emblems, but have no luck in breaking it.
Below are my findings:
Tyrolese printmaker seems to refer to Stephan Michelspacher, in the "Alchemical Mountain" https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KuZW-4BtqTo/hqdefault.jpg, the moon looks pretty much like one of the emblems.

canon of Bridlington seems to refer to George Ripley, in the "RIpley Scroll" https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9gpxwG0WttE/UGRef_XRHeI/AAAAAAAAApU/jdwUwPlFYh0/s1600/Alchemy_1_sm.jpg the 3 interconnected balls seems close to another one of the emblems

Faust is likely Johann Georg Faust, in "Praxia Magia Faustiana", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mephistophiles_Passau_1527.jpg, the club/four-leaf clover symbol seems to fit one of the emblems. We know that Faust is related to 2 symbols, at this point I'm quite lost as to which other symbol this is, though I'm guessing it could be the arrow since the relative length of the lines seems close to the bottom arrow of this grimoire: http://www.magitech.com/faust/FAUST15.GIF though I admit it seems a bit random

Finally, the eternal alchemist laboratory...I think it could be related to Khunrath’s Amphitheater of Eternal Wisdom, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Amphitheatrum_sapientiae_aeternae_-_Alchemist%27s_Laboratory.jpg. Where an hourglass, looking similar to the emblem, can be found on the left under the table. There's also a closed sextant which could arguable be what the bottom-most emblem be.

If I take the letters of the five emblems I chose - OM/LE/NG/AD/NE, they could be arranged into GOLDEN NAME(?) if I switch out NE to TH, then it could become GOLDEN MATH(?) But still, I was expecting it to be a single word, so this doesn't seem that right to me


Oh..and, what is exactly the end-goal of this game, considering that there seems to be nothing to do other than turning pages
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sekito34 Nov 7, 2018 @ 10:21am 
Some other observations:
Barlet's key - http://www.alchemywebsite.com/symbols_barlet.html
Repealer of the mines royal act - Robert Boyle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Boyle
The man with the golden nose - Tycho Brahe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tycho_Brahe


The numbers:
roman numerals LXXIV = 74
Chinese rod numerals(?) = 30
maya numerals - 6
hebrew numerals - 46(?)
Egyptian-1403

Splitting to factors:
2x37
5x6 (or 2x15 or 3x10)
2x3
2x23
23x61

I’m assuming the reference to Eratosthenes is about the sieve, which I taken to mean to not to use the same number more than once? That leaves 2,5,3,23,61= BECWI ? Hm....
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fiction_8 Nov 7, 2018 @ 10:53pm 
Good stuff! I'm with you. If it turns out that we've already interacted with the game as much as is possible, I'll be disappointed. If you could play the game just by sharing jpegs or pdfs, it seems a little silly to install a game for that.

Observations on your observations:
I'm not sure what the first one (Hidden Sign) will end up turning out to be, but I was thinking that it would spell out something to do with the basic aim of Alchemy ... something like 'transmutation' or 'lead into gold' or 'magnum opus'

For Numero Sanctum, what made you think to split the numbers by factors? Interesting idea. I was wondering if that one would just end up as splitting the numbers - as 14 and 03 in your Egyptian example above (N and C). Maybe it could also relate to Napier's Bones.
sekito34 Nov 8, 2018 @ 3:16am 
On after thought, a single word can indeed by formed: goldenmane (a kind of plant) but that doesn’t seem that related to alchemy. Another interesting combination can form “In God’s Name” (switching the hourglass with the angle measure). but still, neither really clicks
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sekito34 Nov 8, 2018 @ 8:39am 
It seems the book in-game is heavily based on Trithemius's "Steganography" http://trithemius.com/steganographia-english/
One thing I noticed is the list of names in the last page of Alchemia is the same list in "Steganography", there is also a list of directions and numbers next to the names, but the directions and numbers are different than the ones in the game.
Last edited by sekito34; Nov 8, 2018 @ 8:39am
sekito34 Nov 9, 2018 @ 2:04am 
Some observations on Super Stellae
The Greek words are the months according to the Antikythera mechanism calendar, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_calendars (scroll down), the sequence of which and translation can be found in the link above. Whereas Tycho Brahe’s sequence is the one we common know, i.e. http://www.ianridpath.com/startales/tycho.htm. Neither the calendar months or the zodiac signs are in the correct sequence in the illustration.

The dream machine is likely referring to the orrery described in De Re Publica, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism (under Similar Devices)

It’s clear that the puzzle has to do with the lines going between the constellations, such as Taurus goes only to Capricorn and Virgo. But how this relates to the solution I haven’t figured out yet

Edit:
Zodiac seq: 2, 1,11, 3, 5, 6,12, 7, 10, 9, 4, 8
Month: 10, 7, 9, 2, 5, 8, 1, 6, 11, 4, 12, 3
Connection: 2, 4, 3, 2, 6, 2, 3, 5, 3, 3, 5, 4
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sekito34 Nov 9, 2018 @ 3:11am 
Some observations on Chymistry:

According to Barlet’s key (or my interpretation of it) http://www.alchemywebsite.com/symbols_barlet.html
The symbols correspond to the numbers:
21—————————-55
—43——————54
———-49——47
———-70——50
—-7——————-42
48———————-——59

Since Boyle is mentioned, that led me to think the puzzle might have something to do with the chemical elements, i.e. the periodic table, the elementary symbols thus translated are
Sc————————Cs
—-Tc—————Xe
———-In—-Ag
———Yb-—Sn
-—N—————-Mo
Cd————————-Pr
....doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense huh
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fiction_8 Nov 9, 2018 @ 9:41am 
Wow, this is all good stuff. I wonder if historical context is important. Basil Valentine and the rest of the alchemists wouldn't have known about Xenon, Cesium, or the periodic table in general. I wonder if we should stick to only the elements that were known then.
sekito34 Nov 10, 2018 @ 1:58am 
I realized Barlet’s key also have the symbols’ names:
In order
7 Antimoine, terre metal
22 Gumeaux
42 Azur
43 Airain
47 Borax
48 Cerufe
49 Chaux viue
50 Cinabre
54 Eau Royals
55 Fleurs d’Anumoine
59 L’maille de Mars
70 Foalphreen canons
(Please note I may have gotten some of the letters wrong, since the scan of the page isn’t that good)


However, I don’t see how this could form some kind of key..
fiction_8 Nov 10, 2018 @ 7:45pm 
Regarding Chymistry, a few corrections.

It looks like 22 should be 67 (orpigment or auripigment),
43 should be 45 (aymant or lodestone),
70 should be 71 (soulphre vif iel or bright sulfur?)

Everything else looks correct, so the updated list would be:

7 antimony
42 azur
45 aymant
47 borax
48 cerufe
49 chaux viue
50 cinnabar
54 eau royals
55 flowers of antimony
59 l'maille de mars
67 orpigment
71 soulphre vif iel

What does the center symbol represent- the star of David? The left is air, top water, right earth, and bottom fire. You've got a 9 character word to solve and then a 6 (15). Based on letter distribution, it looks like a monoalphabetic substitution cipher (cryptoquip). The nice thing about Bartlet's Key is that it acts as a sort of alphabet the way most of the elements are listed alphabetically. I was thinking 'group by appearance' might have something to do with placing them in the cipher, but 3 A's and 3 C's seem like an unusual letter distribution - and there are only 12 elements. I was wondering if Robert Boyle's initials were supposed to be used to give you the other 3 but I don't see that he had a middle name.
sekito34 Nov 12, 2018 @ 6:06am 
Proven solution to Page 3
I’m not sure I should be the person to reveal the solution to Page 3, because #Cell has solved it, but I don’t think he/she is too keen on revealing the answer. Let’s just say... the five ciphers each represent a color - in Latin I believe, but the color is not exactly matching the elements(earth,water,air,fire) that the word is written in (which traditionally, would be green,blue, red, yellow) or according to the four stages of magnum opus(negredo-black, albedo-white, citrinitas-yellow, rubedo-red). But rather, the colors are somewhat mixed up for whatever reason I have yet to understand. In any case, KHRHDH would be the key to solve this once you figure out that it represents a certain color.

However, even after knowing the solution, I still have no idea how the Barlet’s key and the small symbols have to do with the solution... they don’t seem to help in anyway??

Another way to solve this would be to find out about Robert Boyle - repealer of the mines royal act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Boyle
And something to do with being “unseen”... haha
Last edited by sekito34; Nov 12, 2018 @ 6:10am
fadingmemories93 Dec 17, 2018 @ 3:33pm 
Not sure if anyone is still interested, but is there a discord/group chat separate from steam to discuss this game?
katsu Dec 28, 2018 @ 12:56pm 
hi, I'm interested in getting into a discord or group chat to discuss the game and progress, does one exist?
Gangamel Jan 14, 2019 @ 12:34pm 
Originally posted by fadingmemories93:
Not sure if anyone is still interested, but is there a discord/group chat separate from steam to discuss this game?
https://discord.gg/5rpMfmk
ROOFTOP FOX Apr 20, 2020 @ 1:01am 
hey sekito34 . are you still working on this s h i t??
I am wating for your homework.

Last edited by ROOFTOP FOX; Apr 20, 2020 @ 1:02am
sekito34 Apr 29, 2020 @ 11:09am 
Originally posted by John Snow:
hey sekito34 . are you still working on this s h i t??
I am wating for your homework.

I'm not sure what you want me to say, SweepingsDemon already made a very comprehensive guide.

If you want the exact solution, you could look at robin! 's guide's discussion, where I posted... well practically the last part of the puzzle.
Last edited by sekito34; Apr 29, 2020 @ 12:50pm
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