Creating Setups.

[Amatrius Kemo]

Y'all ain't wasting time. I'm currently using settings from F1 2017. However, I'd like to start making my own. Any tips and tricks on how to get started on tailoring the car to my play style, difficulty. Also, what level of assists would you recommend on a controller?

[Milkym0o]

Can't speak for the controller side of things, I always recommend just turning off assists and jumping in the deep end.

As for setups, go into Time Trial, choose Mercedes. Run laps with default setup and do minor adjustments, one or two at a time so you can tell what changes had what effect.

You'll get a general idea after doing a few track setups what works and how the car will feel before you even go onto the track so the process does speed up. It'll help give you a good understanding of each setting and what it does.

If I want to set a hotlap, I find I run a little extra front wing and a little less rear wing than what I would in the race (such as 5-6 wings), but for races themselves - I typically choose an understeer setup just for stability and consistency (something like 4-7 wings). Though again, track dependent. I offset by stiffening roll bars to make car a little more pointy. Most tracks require minimum 4 ride height and 3 suspension. Though if long heavy braking zones you may want to stiffen the springs so you don't lose the rear when slamming the brakes.

[Josh]

First off get a wheel, step one of being an F1 noob is using a controller. Also, play with all assist offs....like none, zero...yep no racing line either and no T-cam, only cockpit view....using any form of assist is step 2 of being a noob. Also do 100% races without using any flashbacks, spend about 150 hours learning the car/setups then start career mode. Yep, step 3 of being an F1 noob is not doing a full weekend with 100% race. 😁. Follow these few rules and you will be a proper F1 gamer. 😁. Now make haste young one!!

[Josh]

Originally posted by Milkym0o:

Can't speak for the controller side of things, I always recommend just turning off assists and jumping in the deep end.

As for setups, go into Time Trial, choose Mercedes. Run laps with default setup and do minor adjustments, one or two at a time so you can tell what changes had what effect.

You'll get a general idea after doing a few track setups what works and how the car will feel before you even go onto the track so the process does speed up. It'll help give you a good understanding of each setting and what it does.

If I want to set a hotlap I find I run a little extra front wing and a little less rear wing, but for race setups I typically choose a understeer setup just for stability and consistency. I prefer a pointed car so run stiffer roll bars. Most tracks require minimum 4 ride height and 3 suspension. Though if long heavy braking zones you may want to stiffen the springs so you don't lose the rear when slamming the brakes.

I'll have to disagree with using time trial with learning setups...your car is always at optimal settings and doesn't reflect career mode especially with assists turn off. I use time trial to memorize a track if it's new or just need a bit of touch up. For testing/setups purposes grand prix mode is better cause you"ll have the effects of proper wear and temps and how the track evolves over the practice sessions.

[Milkym0o]

Originally posted by Edward Jam:

I'll have to disagree with using time trial with learning setups...your car is always at optimal settings and doesn't reflect career mode especially with assists turn off. I use time trial to memorize a track if it's new or just need a bit of touch up. For testing/setups purposes grand prix mode is better cause you"ll have the effects of proper wear and temps and how the track evolves over the practice sessions.

Time Trial gives you the optimal conditions, true. But it's the quickest way to come up with a stable setup for any aspect of the game. You also can choose the fastest drivers braking telemetry to use, so you know the optimal racing line + brake points. Then tune your car to comfortably handle that to the best of your abilities.

Can't do that within Career or Grand Prix.

Yes races you will have to manage temps & degradation of tyres, but you can set your car up in Time Trial, run quick 5 lap/25% sprint races vs AI in Grand Prix, monitor your tyres. If they exceed 103 degrees, you're setup is too harsh; lower tyre pressures or soften springs, lower diff etc...

[Josh]

Originally posted by Milkym0o:

Originally posted by Edward Jam:

I'll have to disagree with using time trial with learning setups...your car is always at optimal settings and doesn't reflect career mode especially with assists turn off. I use time trial to memorize a track if it's new or just need a bit of touch up. For testing/setups purposes grand prix mode is better cause you"ll have the effects of proper wear and temps and how the track evolves over the practice sessions.

Time Trial gives you the optimal conditions, true. But it's the quickest way to come up with a stable setup for any aspect of the game. You also can choose the fastest drivers braking telemetry to use, so you can therefore know the optimal racing line + brake point, thus what setup you need to tune to handle that to your ability.

Can't do that in Career or Grand Prix.

Hmmm how can you say its the quickest way to get a stable set up with from the get go and throughout your session your car isn't being affected by wear and track conditions? Simply changing your camber 1 click can make a huge difference when a track is green to being tired in. What about changing your differential when you have 50 percent wear in your tires? Isn't the point of setups to have a good balance throughout a full race? If I ever want to use time trial for a setups it would be for qualifying only not for a full race distance.

[Milkym0o]

Originally posted by Edward Jam:

Hmmm how can you say its the quickest way to get a stable set up with from the get go and throughout your session your car isn't being affected by wear and track conditions? Simply changing your camber 1 click can make a huge difference when a track is green to being tired in. What about changing your differential when you have 50 percent wear in your tires? Isn't the point of setups to have a good balance throughout a full race? If I ever want to use time trial for a setups it would be for qualifying only not for a full race distance.

TT gives you a consistent base line to always refer to, that's why it is useful to see what changes you make have on the car. OP is wanting to learn how to setup, so that's the best way to do it.

As I said, once you've made a stable setup in TT that you are both comfortable and fast in, test it in a 5lap/25% grand prix, see how the car feels and how the tyres respond, check the tyre temp panel and see what temps you're getting. If above 103 degrees your setup needs rebalancing as you'll melt tyres. If in 90-100 degrees (from new to worn) range, you're good.

[Josh]

Originally posted by Milkym0o:

Originally posted by Edward Jam:

Hmmm how can you say its the quickest way to get a stable set up with from the get go and throughout your session your car isn't being affected by wear and track conditions? Simply changing your camber 1 click can make a huge difference when a track is green to being tired in. What about changing your differential when you have 50 percent wear in your tires? Isn't the point of setups to have a good balance throughout a full race? If I ever want to use time trial for a setups it would be for qualifying only not for a full race distance.

TT gives you a consistent base line to always refer to, that's why it is useful to see what changes you make have on the car. OP is wanting to learn how to setup, so that's the best way to do it.

As I said, once you've made a stable setup in TT that you are both comfortable and fast in, test it in a 5lap/25% grand prix, see how the car feels and how the tyres respond, check the tyre temp panel and see what temps you're getting. If above 103 degrees your setup needs rebalancing as you'll melt tyres. If in 90-100 degrees (from new to worn) range, you're good.

No, since this guy is new don't recomend bad habits from the beginning. Have him learn the proper way, its the hardest way but he'll be a better consistent driver in the end and have a better idea how the car handles. Time trial is just to learn tracks, a set up in time trial that seems to work can make you 2 seconds slower in career mode....time trial is going for learning the track and trying to compare times with your friends....I hardly use it cause it's fake car performance.

[2Steps]

If starting completely from scratch with learning how to tune it can be useful to run a few laps only changing one thing and making extreme changes to that one item. We can, of course, afford to break the cars in practice and seeing how the extreme ends of a setup affect your car can help get you comfortable with knowing what to change for small tweaks later on.

Can also be useful to test front/rear items together and then test extreme splits. It is important to remember though that one setting feeds into another and they all work together, so extreme changes may not help when finally getting to dialling yourself in for race settings, and several adjustments might feel different from track to track, but testing is all about getting yourself comfortable with tweaking the operating window of the car to fit your driving style.

Tuning is as much art as it is science, there can be consensus about what settings generally need to be set at/near to work optimally, but figuring out what you personally need will always be different from driver to driver.

[Milkym0o]

Originally posted by Edward Jam:

No, since this guy is new don't recomend bad habits from the beginning. Have him learn the proper way, its the hardest way but he'll be a better consistent driver in the end and have a better idea how the car handles. Time trial is just to learn tracks, a set up in time trial that seems to work can make you 2 seconds slower in career mode....time trial is going for learning the track and trying to compare times with your friends....I hardly use it cause it's fake car performance.

It's the most efficient use of ones time. Bang out multiple laps, no time wasting if you crash - quickly restart lap. Make the fastest and most stable setup in a Merc in TT. Test in quick Grand Prix for tyre deg.

Then if you do decide to jump in Career mode, you know what your best performance felt like when things were optimal, you have developed a better understanding of differences in settings and can thus very quickly tune out any issues.

Case in point - TT Merc is rapid but not as stable as a Ferrari. In my Ferrari Career mode, my initial TT Merc setup was good, but not optimal for the career car. I quickly tuned out the extra "helping" changes I made to stabilize the Merc, as it wasn't needed in my Ferrari. Instead I could optimize for straight line speed. Besides minor changes the setup remained the same.

If OP jumps in Multiplayer his setup won't need changing unless he joins a lobby with "realistic" performance, which is unlikely.

That's what you want, a versatile "my best benchmark" setup you can then quickly work from.

[Amatrius Kemo]

This is a ton of info. I'm looking to be getting a nice little wheel soon. Not being a Mercedes man, I find myself messing about with Haas or Red Bull. In 2017, I've established a habbit of pulling settups form the workshop in TT and seeing if they'd stick in Career. With 2019 and the new regs...I'm going to keep an old base, and keep going. Ditching ABS and Traction Control...is going to be the biggest hurdle for me. May do that after the wheel...or not. O.o

[Milkym0o]

Originally posted by Capt. Blackwood:

This is a ton of info. I'm looking to be getting a nice little wheel soon. Not being a Mercedes man, I find myself messing about with Haas or Red Bull. In 2017, I've established a habbit of pulling settups form the workshop in TT and seeing if they'd stick in Career. With 2019 and the new regs...I'm going to keep an old base, and keep going. Ditching ABS and Traction Control...is going to be the biggest hurdle for me. May do that after the wheel...or not. O.o

My point is to use Merc in TT as it's the best car, for career choose whatever you like.

Set you "gold standard" setup in the Merc in TT. Your benchmark

When you go into career with say Haas, choose that setup, run a few laps in track accumulation and get a feel for it, you'll notice the differences compared to the Merc in TT, tune out those differences. Think to yourself "I can't turn in as well here as I could in the TT Merc... therefore I need to compensate with a little more X". But on the whole the setup can remain relatively untouched.

EDIT: Every league racer I've seen and watched, developed their setups this way. A fastest one lap pace in TT Merc that then is tweaked for a race. Usually minor wing adjustments; altering on throttle diff, brake bias/pressure and in past games ballast.

[Amatrius Kemo]

Originally posted by Milkym0o:

Originally posted by Capt. Blackwood:

This is a ton of info. I'm looking to be getting a nice little wheel soon. Not being a Mercedes man, I find myself messing about with Haas or Red Bull. In 2017, I've established a habbit of pulling settups form the workshop in TT and seeing if they'd stick in Career. With 2019 and the new regs...I'm going to keep an old base, and keep going. Ditching ABS and Traction Control...is going to be the biggest hurdle for me. May do that after the wheel...or not. O.o

My point is to use Merc in TT as it's the best car, for career choose whatever you like.

Set you "gold standard" setup in the Merc in TT. Your benchmark

When you go into career with say Haas, choose that setup, run a few laps in track accumulation and get a feel for it, you'll notice the differences compared to the Merc in TT, tune out those differences. Think to yourself "I can't turn in as well here as I could in the TT Merc... therefore I need to compensate with a little more X". But on the whole the setup can remain relatively untouched.

EDIT: Every league racer I've seen and watched, developed their setups this way. A fast one lap pace car in TT Merc that then is tweaked for a race. Usually minor wing adjustments, an altering of the on throttle diff, brake bias/pressure and in past games ballast.

I see. Since the Mercs are the Standard both in game as in real life. Never looked at it like that before. Thanks for that.

[Amatrius Kemo]

Me thinks for now, I'll run with a few assists and start ramping from there. Putting my Merc in the wall 30x was not really inspiring. I'll get there eventually. I'm not in this to compete and become an e-sports racer. Trust me, I'm too old and above all...too fat. I'm doin'this to mainly have a blast and be challenged at the same time

I've settled on the Logicech Wheel ($200) no too fancy, but if I read correctly, force feedback is a must, especially with assists off. My controller is a Logitech F310. Just two hands and my thumbs. :D

I also picked up some free telemetry software, I'm probably gonna latch it to my laptop. Even with dual screens, any game in windowed mode make me feel weird. Unless F1 2019's got a Windowless Fullscreen or whatever the heck it's called.

However, during this whole process...I will have the drink. :P

[Josh]

Originally posted by Milkym0o:

Originally posted by Edward Jam:

No, since this guy is new don't recomend bad habits from the beginning. Have him learn the proper way, its the hardest way but he'll be a better consistent driver in the end and have a better idea how the car handles. Time trial is just to learn tracks, a set up in time trial that seems to work can make you 2 seconds slower in career mode....time trial is going for learning the track and trying to compare times with your friends....I hardly use it cause it's fake car performance.

It's the most efficient use of ones time. Bang out multiple laps, no time wasting if you crash - quickly restart lap. Make the fastest and most stable setup in a Merc in TT. Test in quick Grand Prix for tyre deg.

Then if you do decide to jump in Career mode, you know what your best performance felt like when things were optimal, you have developed a better understanding of differences in settings and can thus very quickly tune out any issues.

Case in point - TT Merc is rapid but not as stable as a Ferrari. In my Ferrari Career mode, my initial TT Merc setup was good, but not optimal for the career car. I quickly tuned out the extra "helping" changes I made to stabilize the Merc, as it wasn't needed in my Ferrari. Instead I could optimize for straight line speed. Besides minor changes the setup remained the same.

If OP jumps in Multiplayer his setup won't need changing unless he joins a lobby with "realistic" performance, which is unlikely.

That's what you want, a versatile "my best benchmark" setup you can then quickly work from.

See this is the problem with most of you guys, you base everything on speed and take the full performance of an F1 car over 100% race distance for granted that's why alot of you need to use flashbacks. The MAIN concern should be consistency over that distance....in the back of your mind always think consistency, forget about your ego for moment and think of that and not pure speed. Speed will come in time,. Once you've memorized all the tracks TT becomes useless....after that all of your practice time should be used in Grand Prix mode to test set ups the proper way. For me 200 hours of this before I actually started career mode cause I knew every track in my sleep and was able to adjust diff and fuel sometimes turn for turn with consistency....pretty much like a robot.

[Milkym0o]

Originally posted by Edward Jam:

See this is the problem with most of you guys, you base everything on speed and take the full performance of an F1 car over 100% race distance for granted that's why alot of you need to use flashbacks. The MAIN concern should be consistency over that distance....in the back of your mind always think consistency, forget about your ego for moment and think of that and not pure speed. Speed will come in time,. Once you've memorized all the tracks TT becomes useless....after that all of your practice time should be used in Grand Prix mode to test set ups the proper way. For me 200 hours of this before I actually started career mode cause I knew every track in my sleep and was able to adjust diff and fuel sometimes turn for turn with consistency....pretty much like a robot.

Most of your response is just projection... Speed and consistency aren't mutually exclusive.

I'm repeating myself now since you can't read:

- You develop a FAST and STABLE setup in time trial, FOR YOU, that is then later MODIFIED for tyre wear for RACES.

This setup won't be leaderboard god tier as you are sacrificing that one lap pace for STABILITY. But it'll make you CONSISTENTLY FAST. Modified correctly for tyre wear, you won't lose much speed in the race. Tyre wear is also really manageable with Lean Mix/No ERS through the corners as well as car fuel load and smooth driving.

You've created a position in your own head that you believe I am arguing... Which is not the case.

OP doesn't need to spend 200 hours in Grand Prix just so they can crack on with the game.

You can spend 30mins to an hour if you so choose, per track, to have a setup that suits your style and is stable for races. Minor tweaks needed for tyre wear if you've gone a bit overkill but once you understand what settings cause tyre wear it's relatively easy to avoid to begin with.