Make Pups Less Dumb

[iAdorkabl3]

Can ya'll give the pups some survival instinct instead of them running towards the danger? Their fear response should send them running for the den, not toward the danger!

[UrLocalS8nist]

pups don't really know what danger is, and if you have a bold mate and a bold player wolf, your pups are less likely to listen to you if you ask them to go into the den (I believe that's what they said in one of them Devblogs????)

[crys]

Yeah, really bold pups are sometimes too stupid to live. But if they live they will hopefully learn. :D

[topp]

How you and your mate act, effects how your pups will act. If you really don't like the pups wandering too far or not wanting to go in the den, try making yourself cautious or getting a more cautious mate(although cautious mates can be annoying since they don't help you hunt and fight as much).

[AbelWolf076]

uhm...they're pups? it's realistic for them to not know what danger is like S8nist said. they're MEANT to be dumb since they're young!! you don't see baby animals immediately knowing what stuff is right? it'd be unrealistic for pups to get survival instincts and react accordingly to a fear response when a predator is attacking the den.

it'd would make woofing them into the den USELESS during a predator raid, all it would be used for would be woofing them into the den when you have to leave to hunt or do territory.

I like the idea of them being realistic and NOT knowing what danger is like any baby animal in real life. it makes the game more challenging and more fun to play than everything being handed to you on a silver platter and you not having to do anything to keep your pups alive.

also, their behavior here sounds bold. is your wolf or your mate bold? if so, that's what they seemed to have inherited for their personality. bold pups will be less likely to go into the den/bushes and will either: leave the den, circle the predator, look at the predator or even walk up to you and said predator, putting themselves at risk (I had this happen so many times).

I suggest getting a cautious mate or making a cautious wolf if you don't want any pups doing what bold pups do because cautious pups will be more likely to go into the den/bushes and less likely to put themselves at risk of a predator.

Originally posted by UrLocalS8nist:

pups don't really know what danger is, and if you have a bold mate and a bold player wolf, your pups are less likely to listen to you if you ask them to go into the den (I believe that's what they said in one of them Devblogs????)

the only thing i remember about them saying anything about bold or cautious pups is when they made the bark emote an actual feature. in the devblog, if you bark, bold pups will react slower than cautious pups who will react faster to your bark.

they tend to keep personality up to what the players think their pups are but its always nice for them to confirm what personality does what for pups.

Originally posted by topp:

How you and your mate act, effects how your pups will act. If you really don't like the pups wandering too far or not wanting to go in the den, try making yourself cautious or getting a more cautious mate(although cautious mates can be annoying since they don't help you hunt and fight as much).

I just saw your post after I sent this so, I'm just gonna point out something about cautious mates here.

cautious mates aren't annoying imo, I may be more patient than the average player but I had a cautious mate who refused to hunt or fight with me despite having +2 strength and I stayed patient with her, even with pups. sure, we were less likely to finish a hunt faster but it was endearing to me that she didn't want to use her strength to her own advantage.

but that isn't it about cautious mates, they do have some positives: more vigilant when a predator is nearby and have reduced odds of being killed or injured. I see players rag on cautious mates and lazy mates but I give the benefit of the doubt because well, it's just a game? if you don't like your mate's personality, get a new one.

I had so many lazy mates and they all helped with pups despite it which I call dedication right there. anyways, continuing on, cautious mates do have negatives like how topp and I said they are less likely to hunt and/or fight and deal less damage to what you're hunting and/or fighting but that's the fun of mates (and pups which I spoke about above). they may be frustrating to deal with but y'know!! it's fun anyways.

[topp]

Yes, I know. I was merely saying they 'can be annoying' for some players, since it seemed a fair warning if this player was annoyed at the pups for not wanting to go in the den(which seems normal, if I was a pup I'd like to stay outside). Some of my favorite mates have been lazy.

[Ph@nt0m]

This is a problem- yet remember, these are only 1-2 month old pups. They likely don't know a bear or cougar can kill them, and stranger wolves remind them of pack mates, so they'll most likely want to approach them. Hope it helped.

[Misto Taco Laddy!]

They are literal babies!

[11crystal]

You know what one annoying thing is? The fact that the pups refuse to eat sometimes, like it's one thing if the pups don't realize what danger is, it's a whole different thing when they refuse to eat. Ofc they know how to eat, they've had to live their entire lives eating.

[waffleswithsyrup]

You could try the elder authority perk once your wolf reaches age 6, it helps balance affinity and keep them away from predators.

[megsjewels]

They are babies, they don't know what is and what isn't danger.

[Pussinboots]

Right?? They're so dumb. I just let them die, if they want to play with the bear and cougars so bad, so be it.

[Loach]

I think it would be neat if as pups get their level ups they become a smidge smarter, but I don't know how much that would impact certain age perks like Elder Authority.

[AbelWolf076]

Originally posted by 11crystal:

You know what one annoying thing is? The fact that the pups refuse to eat sometimes, like it's one thing if the pups don't realize what danger is, it's a whole different thing when they refuse to eat. Ofc they know how to eat, they've had to live their entire lives eating.

pups will only refuse to eat if there's a object (most likely a sibling or parent) blocking the food. I've seen this a lot of times and all you have to do is move the sibling or hope to god your mate MOVES so the other pups can eat.

but if this is consistent throughout all your saves, submit a bug report. helps the team figure out issues.

[Pussinboots]

Originally posted by AbelWolf076:

Originally posted by 11crystal:

You know what one annoying thing is? The fact that the pups refuse to eat sometimes, like it's one thing if the pups don't realize what danger is, it's a whole different thing when they refuse to eat. Ofc they know how to eat, they've had to live their entire lives eating.

pups will only refuse to eat if there's a object (most likely a sibling or parent) blocking the food. I've seen this a lot of times and all you have to do is move the sibling or hope to god your mate MOVES so the other pups can eat.

but if this is consistent throughout all your saves, submit a bug report. helps the team figure out issues.

Originally posted by Pussinboots:

Right?? They're so dumb. I just let them die, if they want to play with the bear and cougars so bad, so be it.

okay, genuinely. I don't see why you want to go through the effort of letting your pups kill themselves essentially, it's like killing the runt (which again is too much effort, just let them live and raise them with the others smh).

it isn't the pups' fault that they're so young and basically naive. as someone who plays this game, this seems like you guys (the players) are at fault for this because it's so easy to keep them away from predators- I know everyone plays the game differently but jesus. who puts the pups' faults for this? it's how they ARE.

I'm not trying to be mean or judgmental of how you play the game but like...what's the point of letting your pups kill themselves over actually doing something about predator attacks and how close your pups are to them? I literally woof my pups into the den first thing, be vigilant for ANY predators then proceed to chase said predator away (cougars require fast reaction time as they will dive for the den however).

to keep them close to the den, just woof or go pick up the farthest one? I see xSoulDreamers playthroughs and he woofs the pups to keep them close to the den since they tend to get carried away with the pup chase and in general, I just pick up my pups and put them back at the den, even if they WON'T stay there but at least they're closer. hell, you could even move over where they're playing at so you're close to them and you can keep your eye on them.

your playstyles may be different than mine so I'm not ENTIRELY sure what you're doing but I know I sound like a broken record player but it is NOT that hard to keep them away from predators or keep them close to the den.

again, not trying to be mean or judgmental, I'm just trying to understand just- why. why blame the pups for what they do? it's like blaming bad mates for the way they are (which is deserved). it may be because I'm more patient with my mates/pups than the average player, who knows!!

uh- feel free to point out anything from this message, it's in no way perfect but it gives a basic gist of what this has turned into lmao.

I'm not reading all that.

[Pussinboots]

Originally posted by AbelWolf076:

Originally posted by Pussinboots:

I'm not reading all that.

okay, let me put it into simple terms for you.

why kill your pups if they won't stay away from predators? it is not that hard and that's too much effort imo (like killing a runt to speed up the playthrough). you can either woof, pick up the farthest one or stay close to them when they're playing if you want them to stay close to you and/or the den.

your playstyle may be different than mine (like everyone else's) but I'm just curious. why blame the pups for their naive behavior? then kill them for said behavior?

Because I'm not concerned with the ethics of being a bad parent to my fictional wolf children.