Gray & Gray Pairs

[Mystical]

Anyone else had an issue finding 3-4* gray dispersals in AM? I don't think I've found a single one in weeks, all of them are 1-2* and the black dispersals are 3-4*. I've got a super light gray male from a litter I raised, and I'd like to find him a 3-4* female gray. There just aren't any, I've found 5ish 3* black dispersals and a few 4* black dispersals. None of the pack wolves are above 2* either.

[Starmist]

I was able to get Lamar 1F whos light with red head and my wolf Kuro whos the lightest coat their is currently and she had 3 stars, but thats the only grey I've seen over 2 1/2 stars

[Shelter2fan]

Yep. I have this problem too. It gets really frustrating. However, I do have a tip. Play as a black wolf, so the gray wolves are 4 star diversity. Then, find the mate that’s perfect for you, and choose them as your mate. After that, go to main menu, choose whatever gray coat you like, and now you can have a gray on gray pair with high diversity! And yes, they can still produce seven pups, so don’t get discouraged if you get four pups on your first try like I did

[Mystical]

Originally posted by Starmist:

I was able to get Lamar 1F whos light with red head and my wolf Kuro whos the lightest coat their is currently and she had 3 stars, and we had a lot of very light pups

Everytime I've tried for her, she hates me lol. I really like Wapiti2F, but she's always 1-2* orrr she hates me

Originally posted by Shelter2fan:

Yep. I have this problem too. It gets really frustrating. However, I do have a tip. Play as a black wolf, so the gray wolves are 4 star diversity. Then, find the mate that’s perfect for you, and choose them as your mate. After that, go to main menu, choose whatever gray coat you like, and now you can have a gray on gray pair with high diversity! And yes, they can still produce seven pups, so don’t get discouraged if you get four pups on your first try like I did

That's actually smart, but the problem is.. the wolf I'm trying to use is from a litter I've had. So I can't change him. >.<

[Starmist]

Originally posted by Mystical:

Originally posted by Starmist:

I was able to get Lamar 1F whos light with red head and my wolf Kuro whos the lightest coat their is currently and she had 3 stars, and we had a lot of very light pups

Everytime I've tried for her, she hates me lol. I really like Wapiti2F, but she's always 1-2* orrr she hates me



aha yeah she took my wolf like 15 minutes but shes a really good mate if you can end up convincing her

[Mystical]

I've been playing around some more, this time with a newly created light gray male. Same issue, there's plenty of 3-4* black females, but no gray females.

I've come across another issue with pups I've raised, their father came from the 8 mile pack. So why are there 3-4* diversity wolves coming from the 8 mile pack? Theoretically, shouldn't those wolves be their father's younger siblings?

Aaand another thought, why are some dispersal wolves 1-2* and the wolf right next to them from the same pack is 4*? Shouldn't they both be the same diversity, unless it's a black x black situation?

[Loach]

Originally posted by Mystical:

I've been playing around some more, this time with a newly created light gray male. Same issue, there's plenty of 3-4* black females, but no gray females.

I've come across another issue with pups I've raised, their father came from the 8 mile pack. So why are there 3-4* diversity wolves coming from the 8 mile pack? Theoretically, shouldn't those wolves be their father's younger siblings?

Aaand another thought, why are some dispersal wolves 1-2* and the wolf right next to them from the same pack is 4*? Shouldn't they both be the same diversity, unless it's a black x black situation?

The game doesn't keep track of that sort of thing, I don't think, as wolves like the 8 mile pack are randomized every save and the same pack wolves (like Wapiti) are the same every file as well. It's an inconsistency, since the game mostly seems built for you being a fresh new wolf, and not so much a descendant of other wolves in the game.

As for the varied star rating for wolves, there is more that goes into the genetics for the wolves than just the color of their coats. Stuff we don't exactly know everything about. So while wolves may look similar from a pack there might just have something in their genetics you can't see from appearance that makes them more diverse than you, compared to other wolves in their group.

[Mystical]

Originally posted by Loach:

Originally posted by Mystical:

I've been playing around some more, this time with a newly created light gray male. Same issue, there's plenty of 3-4* black females, but no gray females.

I've come across another issue with pups I've raised, their father came from the 8 mile pack. So why are there 3-4* diversity wolves coming from the 8 mile pack? Theoretically, shouldn't those wolves be their father's younger siblings?

Aaand another thought, why are some dispersal wolves 1-2* and the wolf right next to them from the same pack is 4*? Shouldn't they both be the same diversity, unless it's a black x black situation?

The game doesn't keep track of the genetic diversity for when you start a new game with a pup of yours, as wolves like the 8 mile pack are randomized every save and the game does not keep track of if that pup's parent had been a pack wolf.

As for the varied star rating for wolves, there is more that goes into the genetics for the wolves than just the color of their coats. Stuff we don't exactly know everything about. So while wolves may look similar from a pack there might just have something in their genetics you can't see from appearance that makes them more diverse than you, compared to other wolves in their group.

Shouldn't that be negligible though, considering dispersals from a pack should technically have the same parents or at least be half siblings?

Everytime I go in with a gray wolf, it's usually a 2* gray and a 3-4* black wolf. I haven't found a single gray 4* wolf while I'm playing as a gray in a long time. There shouldn't be any genetic issues with a gray x gray pairing, so I'm just assuming it's a bug.

[Loach]

Wolves in the game have 50 genes (25 allele pairs) that determine the genetic diversity for a wolf in the game.

2 for K Locus (black or gray coat)
18 for coat and tint color (which black or gray coat is used, plus the tint of it)
12 for attributes / stats (strength/speed/stamina/health)
18 for personality

All of these go into the genetic make up of an individual wolf in game and is what can cause wolves from the same pack to vary wildly from one another. They could both have black coats, for instance, and even have the same black coat, but compared to your wolf, one might be a 2 Star, and the other a 4 Star, due to the other stuff that goes into their genes and thus makes one more or less diverse from your wolf's genetic makeup.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y1Qunh_Cy8

As for how wolves that are siblings in say, a dispersal group can be so different from one another, you could reason that they are half siblings and only share 1 parent (ex: like how you can replace your mate if they die in SC and become a new parent to your existing pups), or one of them got the short straw in genes.

Genetics are wild like that.

As for why it's hard to find a 4 Star gray wolf I don't exactly remember, but iirc gray x gray and black x black are simply less diverse overall compared to gray x black, though I can't recall where that information is. I've never seen a 4 Star gray ever and I've clocked in 500+ hours since EA came out. Either it's bad luck of the draw or updates over time just made it far less possible to find it.

[Mystical]

Originally posted by Loach:

Wolves in the game have 50 genes (25 allele pairs) that determine the genetic diversity for a wolf in the game.

2 for K Locus (black or gray coat)
18 for coat and tint color (which black or gray coat is used, plus the tint of it)
12 for attributes / stats (strength/speed/stamina/health)
18 for personality

All of these go into the genetic make up of an individual wolf in game and is what can cause wolves from the same pack to vary wildly from one another. They could both have black coats, for instance, and even have the same black coat, but compared to your wolf, one might be a 2 Star, and the other a 4 Star, due to the other stuff that goes into their genes and thus makes one more or less diverse from your wolf's genetic makeup.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y1Qunh_Cy8

As for how wolves that are siblings in say, a dispersal group can be so different from one another, you could reason that they are half siblings and only share 1 parent (ex: like how you can replace your mate if they die in SC and become a new parent to your existing pups), or one of them got the short straw in genes.

Genetics are wild like that.

As for why it's hard to find a 4 Star gray wolf I don't exactly remember, but iirc gray x gray and black x black are simply less diverse overall compared to gray x black, though I can't recall where that information is. I've never seen a 4 Star gray ever and I've clocked in 500+ hours since EA came out. Either it's bad luck of the draw or updates over time just made it far less possible to find it.

Thanks for the explanation on the genetics system, I hadn't seen that lol. I knew how the black/gray worked, but didn't know about the others.

As far as the gray x gray thing, when you load into AM there's a bit of text that says something along the lines of black x black often have fewer, sicklier pups than gray x gray or gray x black. So I'd assume that means 4* gray x gray pairs SHOULD be possible. I just haven't found any, so I'm just curious if it's a bug at this point? If not a bug, maybe it should be specified that gray x black are often the most genetically diverse, with the healthiest and largest litters.

[Ominous Odyssey]

Just now for the first time since I started playing found a grey pelted dispersal wolf with 3 star diversity from the Prospect Peak pack while playing a grey wolf. Have yet to find a 4 star diversity grey wolf as a grey wolf though.

[Mystical]

Originally posted by Ominous Odyssey:

Just now for the first time since I started playing found a grey pelted dispersal wolf with 3 star diversity from the Prospect Peak pack while playing a grey wolf. Have yet to find a 4 star diversity grey wolf as a grey wolf though.

Since I posted this, I've found maybe 3-4 that were 3*, still no luck finding a 4* though. The vast majority of them are 2*

[Ominous Odyssey]

Originally posted by Mystical:

Originally posted by Ominous Odyssey:

Just now for the first time since I started playing found a grey pelted dispersal wolf with 3 star diversity from the Prospect Peak pack while playing a grey wolf. Have yet to find a 4 star diversity grey wolf as a grey wolf though.

Since I posted this, I've found maybe 3-4 that were 3*, still no luck finding a 4* though. The vast majority of them are 2*

Yea, hope that gets addressed or explained in the future.

[Stormy_Skies_Studio]

I found a grey with four stars, my wolf was black fur though.

[Shelter2fan]

I just played as a gray wolf, and noticed a gray mate with all four stars! Sadly it only happened once and I rejected the wolf because he did not seem like he would be a good father

[Mystical]

Originally posted by Shelter2fan:

I just played as a gray wolf, and noticed a gray mate with all four stars! Sadly it only happened once and I rejected the wolf because he did not seem like he would be a good father

Are you sure it was actually gray though? Some of the gray coats will genetically change to black if the tint is dark enough.