What happened?!?!?

[TheAfflictedOne]

its wild and crazy how much attention this game has gotten but wheres our next update/patch? we haven't had one in a really long time and there isn't one in sight. what gives? it seems like this turned from a passion project that was looking amazing into a money grab. the real sad part is both failed. none of the Ogs are around because we got thrown to the side for a handful of "updates/patches" that really did nothing but add more time to the game and change up the meta. where are our seasonal/holiday updates? what happened to more content? its dead a$$ just sad. yall got your money and ran away with it, to top it all off you guys never opened up anything to modding unlike Left4Dead which you guys literally said you were going to be the better version of. L4D has more players as a whole compared to yall and yet you were supposed to be the successor.

Left 4 dead 2 players:
Month Avg. Players Gain % Gain Peak Players
Last 30 Days 20,686.6 -1,997.0 -8.80% 33,415
August 2024 22,683.6 -4,677.9 -17.10% 34,348

Back 4 blood players:
Last 30 Days 1,265.6 -227.9 -15.26% 3,313
August 2024 1,493.5 -2,137.6 -58.87% 3,946

This is the real kick in the teeth "We estimate that Back 4 Blood made $133,962,289.23 in gross revenue since its release. Out of this, the developer had an estimated net revenue of $39,518,875.32" this info is directly from the steam revenue calculator. I want it to be known that im not a hater but a sad fan who was there in the beginning of the game and watched it fall from one of the best FPS zombie games into the sad state it is in now.

[LoliWitch]

Heretic a écrit :

Highrule -1 a écrit :

Come on. The game cashed in on the hopes of it being the modern day L4D2. Once people realized how bad the game was in comparison, they abandoned it just as fast. If the game attracted players and money on its own, without relying on nostalgia and hopes, there would still be a playerbase for it like there is for L4D2.

To be blunt, B4B was a successful rug pull scam that isn't going to work again.

I always try to articulate that L4D2 is a parody of L4D1, that B4B is a love letter to Left 4 Dead, not L4D2. B4B is more in line with the original vision they had for L4D, before Valve spent the time and money doing the Market Research to boil out all the things that L4D could have been. And the reason is not that "Valve is the greatest company ever", its that "Valve is willing to pander to easily excitable monkeys without the intellect for reason, and patience for learning."

It can literally be seen in the reviews of all the people that dislike B4B. You could probably spend the time doing the research and put together some pretty convincing numbers that show that people that liked L4D2 more than L4D1(you), disliked B4B more often than not, but people that liked L4D1 more than L4D2(me), liked B4B more often than not.

Its not that B4B is a perfect game, deserves to be played 24/7 like its crack, no one should do that for any game. Its just that L4D is far more approachable to the average person, the same way Minecraft is, the same way Roblox is. There is also something to be said about riding the zeitgeist of fast zombies and being the first to the party with the 28 Days Later style zombie apocalypse. Just like there is something to be said about locking down the entire ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ world, trapping people inside, obliterating small businesses world wide, and demoralising humans on the planetary scale, and releasing a game that was obviously impacted by the pandemic and just not being able to hit the Nostalgia hard enough to break through all that bitterness and distraction.

B4B2 is still the best decision for TRS, because now they must prove themselves, and with the multitude of short comings that B4B has, there is literally only room for improvement.

It'd still be crazy for me to boot up L4D2 in 2024 and pretend its a "good" game by todays standards though. Its Robloxy, and thats fine, thats whats popular, always has been, likely always will be.

Yeah, b4b2 will great as payday 3.
Need improvment in what exactly??? You don't know. To bad.
B4B is complete game, nothing new you will add into it.

[Mister Torgue Flexington]

Heretic a écrit :

Highrule -1 a écrit :

Come on. The game cashed in on the hopes of it being the modern day L4D2. Once people realized how bad the game was in comparison, they abandoned it just as fast. If the game attracted players and money on its own, without relying on nostalgia and hopes, there would still be a playerbase for it like there is for L4D2.

To be blunt, B4B was a successful rug pull scam that isn't going to work again.

I always try to articulate that L4D2 is a parody of L4D1, that B4B is a love letter to Left 4 Dead, not L4D2. B4B is more in line with the original vision they had for L4D, before Valve spent the time and money doing the Market Research to boil out all the things that L4D could have been. And the reason is not that "Valve is the greatest company ever", its that "Valve is willing to pander to easily excitable monkeys without the intellect for reason, and patience for learning."

It can literally be seen in the reviews of all the people that dislike B4B. You could probably spend the time doing the research and put together some pretty convincing numbers that show that people that liked L4D2 more than L4D1(you), disliked B4B more often than not, but people that liked L4D1 more than L4D2(me), liked B4B more often than not.

Its not that B4B is a perfect game, deserves to be played 24/7 like its crack, no one should do that for any game. Its just that L4D is far more approachable to the average person, the same way Minecraft is, the same way Roblox is. There is also something to be said about riding the zeitgeist of fast zombies and being the first to the party with the 28 Days Later style zombie apocalypse. Just like there is something to be said about locking down the entire ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ world, trapping people inside, obliterating small businesses world wide, and demoralising humans on the planetary scale, and releasing a game that was obviously impacted by the pandemic and just not being able to hit the Nostalgia hard enough to break through all that bitterness and distraction.

B4B2 is still the best decision for TRS, because now they must prove themselves, and with the multitude of short comings that B4B has, there is literally only room for improvement.

It'd still be crazy for me to boot up L4D2 in 2024 and pretend its a "good" game by todays standards though. Its Robloxy, and thats fine, thats whats popular, always has been, likely always will be.

and it's funny that you mention the original "Left 4 Dead", as i've never played that one before, despite owning it. the 2nd game was alright, but quickly lost interest in it!!!

agreed, that the modding community (like the "DOOM" community that came before it) for the "Left 4 Dead" series was what kept the game alive, hence the sheer number of players actively playing it. But the thing I hated about it, is that the same community will completely sh*t all over new players who try to play the "Versus" mode, as one screw-up (even a minor one) will get you kicked from the game, as well as not having any experience at playing that mode. And yet, the last time I checked, I always thought video games were meant to be fun, not a ♥♥♥♥-measuring contest. Besides, if there was a legitimate contest to win actual money being involved when playing "Versus", then I can see their point-of-view.

So with that said, the reason why I enjoy "Back 4 Blood" more, is that you not only can make a variety of builds, but also perform specific missions along the way while getting from "point A" to "point B".

[Hyluxiao]

Heretic a écrit :

Highrule -1 a écrit :

Come on. The game cashed in on the hopes of it being the modern day L4D2. Once people realized how bad the game was in comparison, they abandoned it just as fast. If the game attracted players and money on its own, without relying on nostalgia and hopes, there would still be a playerbase for it like there is for L4D2.

To be blunt, B4B was a successful rug pull scam that isn't going to work again.

I always try to articulate that L4D2 is a parody of L4D1, that B4B is a love letter to Left 4 Dead, not L4D2. B4B is more in line with the original vision they had for L4D, before Valve spent the time and money doing the Market Research to boil out all the things that L4D could have been. And the reason is not that "Valve is the greatest company ever", its that "Valve is willing to pander to easily excitable monkeys without the intellect for reason, and patience for learning."

It can literally be seen in the reviews of all the people that dislike B4B. You could probably spend the time doing the research and put together some pretty convincing numbers that show that people that liked L4D2 more than L4D1(you), disliked B4B more often than not, but people that liked L4D1 more than L4D2(me), liked B4B more often than not.

Its not that B4B is a perfect game, deserves to be played 24/7 like its crack, no one should do that for any game. Its just that L4D is far more approachable to the average person, the same way Minecraft is, the same way Roblox is. There is also something to be said about riding the zeitgeist of fast zombies and being the first to the party with the 28 Days Later style zombie apocalypse. Just like there is something to be said about locking down the entire ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ world, trapping people inside, obliterating small businesses world wide, and demoralising humans on the planetary scale, and releasing a game that was obviously impacted by the pandemic and just not being able to hit the Nostalgia hard enough to break through all that bitterness and distraction.

B4B2 is still the best decision for TRS, because now they must prove themselves, and with the multitude of short comings that B4B has, there is literally only room for improvement.

It'd still be crazy for me to boot up L4D2 in 2024 and pretend its a "good" game by todays standards though. Its Robloxy, and thats fine, thats whats popular, always has been, likely always will be.

yep i could never get into l4d2. Even after they put l4d1 maps in l4d2 I'd still play the first lol. also you're spot on about it being a parody, that's some refreshing perspective there.

[Spooky Cat 🐾💕]

Hyluxiao a écrit :

Heretic a écrit :

I always try to articulate that L4D2 is a parody of L4D1, that B4B is a love letter to Left 4 Dead, not L4D2. B4B is more in line with the original vision they had for L4D, before Valve spent the time and money doing the Market Research to boil out all the things that L4D could have been. And the reason is not that "Valve is the greatest company ever", its that "Valve is willing to pander to easily excitable monkeys without the intellect for reason, and patience for learning."

It can literally be seen in the reviews of all the people that dislike B4B. You could probably spend the time doing the research and put together some pretty convincing numbers that show that people that liked L4D2 more than L4D1(you), disliked B4B more often than not, but people that liked L4D1 more than L4D2(me), liked B4B more often than not.

Its not that B4B is a perfect game, deserves to be played 24/7 like its crack, no one should do that for any game. Its just that L4D is far more approachable to the average person, the same way Minecraft is, the same way Roblox is. There is also something to be said about riding the zeitgeist of fast zombies and being the first to the party with the 28 Days Later style zombie apocalypse. Just like there is something to be said about locking down the entire ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ world, trapping people inside, obliterating small businesses world wide, and demoralising humans on the planetary scale, and releasing a game that was obviously impacted by the pandemic and just not being able to hit the Nostalgia hard enough to break through all that bitterness and distraction.

B4B2 is still the best decision for TRS, because now they must prove themselves, and with the multitude of short comings that B4B has, there is literally only room for improvement.

It'd still be crazy for me to boot up L4D2 in 2024 and pretend its a "good" game by todays standards though. Its Robloxy, and thats fine, thats whats popular, always has been, likely always will be.

yep i could never get into l4d2. Even after they put l4d1 maps in l4d2 I'd still play the first lol. also you're spot on about it being a parody, that's some refreshing perspective there.

As an avid fan of Left 4 Dead 2 and having played it since ancient times, if B4B offered the same modding support it would have been a direct upgrade. Imagine all the features and variety of this game coupled with the freedom of custom maps and asset models of L4D2. The only reason it's become so popular is because of mods, otherwise it would have become dead in the water like the tiny remaining playerbase in B4B.

[Hyluxiao]

Spooky Cat 🐾💕 a écrit :

Hyluxiao a écrit :

yep i could never get into l4d2. Even after they put l4d1 maps in l4d2 I'd still play the first lol. also you're spot on about it being a parody, that's some refreshing perspective there.

As an avid fan of Left 4 Dead 2 and having played it since ancient times, if B4B offered the same modding support it would have been a direct upgrade. Imagine all the features and variety of this game coupled with the freedom of custom maps and asset models of L4D2. The only reason it's become so popular is because of mods, otherwise it would have become dead in the water like the tiny remaining playerbase in B4B. :torielsad:

ya even less people would play l4d2 than b4b if it didn't have mods because of how little content there is.

[NW/RL]

No modding is tragic, but you shouldn't expect infinite updates forever. Hell you shouldn't even expect continued paid DLC releases forever, as that still takes time and money away from other possibly better projects. If they added some modding capability & a workshop page I'd be happy with them leaving development indefinitely

[Furvomanderenstern]

Knee a écrit :

It’s in a great state now. The difficulty is more palatable and there’s a lot of content. They announced when the game wasn’t getting any more updates. TRS making any amount of money off the game is immaterial to what you “think” you’re entitled to.

Buying games and expecting development ad infinitum to satisfy you is the exact opposite of intelligent and adult perspective. In many ways the game is better than L4D but that’s simply a matter of taste and just because your taste wasn’t satisfied doesn’t mean you’ve been wronged.

bro, thats not taste... my friend and me, hyped from this game to the max, completed the main campaign in less than 12 hours... for 60 bucks,and we didnt rush it, i want more content??? these guys promoted their game like its left 4 dead, i can play l4d2 200 hours and dont get bored, it costs 2 bucks, this pile of garbage here cost 60 + 60 in dlc form, 120 bucks and im bored outta mind after 6 hours? get the fugg outta here man, let them rob ur money fine, but dont pretend like this is a taste-thing, this is theft!!!!! they took l4d2 reputation, called this a sequel, took the money,millions btw, and ran... its pathetic, have fun with the game, but stop fooling urself man, cant clown us anymore1111!!!!elf!!!!

[THUG|DragoN]

from the developers of Evoved.

[aShoom]

Because of people gatekeeping L4D , so much pro L4D spitting on every game like.

[inc]

TheAfflictedOne a écrit :

wheres our next update/patch?

Wake up man. TRS finished the game ​​and officially stopped supporting it a year ago: https://turtlerockstudios.com/news/b4b-2223

TheAfflictedOne a écrit :

a money grab

This will surprise you, but everyone does it, even Valve with L4D and L4D2.

TheAfflictedOne a écrit :

a handful of "updates/patches" that really did nothing

These were good and big patches that just did the game better.

TheAfflictedOne a écrit :

where are our seasonal/holiday updates? what happened to more content?

This is not a multiplayer online-service, it's just a co-op game. The developers have made all the promised content:
https://i0.wp.com/news.xbox.com/en-us/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/11/Back-4-Blood-Post-Launch-Content-Roadmap.jpg

TheAfflictedOne a écrit :

you guys never opened up anything to modding unlike Left4Dead

Nobody promised you it and thank God that B4B doesn't have mods. 99% of them in L4D2 are anime crap for kids, and the community is grateful that all mods don't work in Versus mode on official servers (if you didn't know).

TheAfflictedOne a écrit :

L4D has more players

If you like numbers, B4B is a cross-platform game and is not only on Steam, so it's incorrect to compare online only on Steam.
Anyway, online never says anything about the quality. Or play Fortnite and Minecraft, because even more people play them, so these games should be even better than L4D2.

TheAfflictedOne a écrit :

"the developer had an estimated net revenue of $39,518,875.32"

Good news!

TheAfflictedOne a écrit :

fall from one of the best FPS zombie games into the sad state it is in now.

It's still one of the best, and after a lot of content, patches, bug fixes, and balancing, the game is in a much better state than it was at release. The developers have done a great job on B4B.

So nothing happened. I want more, just like you, but B4B is a completed game. Everything is fine and goes as it should. Just chill, play (or not) and wait for their next game!

[inc]

furvomanderenstern a écrit :

bro, thats not taste... my friend and me, hyped from this game to the max, completed the main campaign in less than 12 hours... for 60 bucks,and we didnt rush it, i want more content??? these guys promoted their game like its left 4 dead, i can play l4d2 200 hours and dont get bored, it costs 2 bucks, this pile of garbage here cost 60 + 60 in dlc form, 120 bucks and im bored outta mind after 6 hours? get the fugg outta here man, let them rob ur money fine, but dont pretend like this is a taste-thing, this is theft!!!!! they took l4d2 reputation, called this a sequel, took the money,millions btw, and ran... its pathetic, have fun with the game, but stop fooling urself man, cant clown us anymore1111!!!!elf!!!!

How many hours you can play one game and not another - it's only your taste. This can't be objective and prove anything.
I can only recommend you to play on "Nightmare" or "No Hope" and maybe you will understand how difficult and interesting the game is. I don't think you can play 200h in L4D2 on "Easy", because it would be really boring. But maybe that's just your taste.

If you like numbers too, L4D2 costs $2 because it's 15 years old game and it's a Valve game in a Valve launcher (called Steam).
I can remind you that L4D cost $45 on release in 2008 and just a year later L4D2 was for the same $45. Tens of thousands of players boycotted the game and Valve:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/L4D2boycott
Then Valve just moved all the content from L4D to L4D2, and because of that L4D died and became useless. So people basically bought one game for $90 in 2009.
Wanna talk more about prices, inflation and Valve's policies?

So $99 for Ultimate Edition with all DLCs in 2021 was a good deal. B4B was free on Xbox Game Pass and now it's 90% off on EGS and Steam sales, just like L4D2. So what's the problem?
No one ran, TRS finished B4B, released all the promised DLCs and already working on their next game.

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Knee a écrit :

Your implication that they don’t care is unfounded, but is founded on the principle that you somehow deserved more simply because they made money with it. That’s a personal grudge or jealousy you’ll have to resolve with yourself.

No.

All we have as consumers is comparison to similar products. There are similar titles at half the price with twice the content and twice (and counting) the post launch support.

You're either a braindead consumer, trolling, or a shill, and anybody who says this game delivered a satisfactory experience by any stretch of the imagination is likewise.

[LusterBunny]

true, only workshop can save this game

[Nocrin]

in my personal opinion the creep factor just wasn't there like it was in left for dead and i think a lot of it was the difference in sound design between the 2