This Game Isn't Left 4 Dead.

[D.A.R.K.]

This game is a slow paced game, I'm watching a game play on YouTube, we have iron sight, run, classes and cards? What the hell is that? Where's the pure Left 4 Dead that we had back in 2008 and Left 4 Dead in 2009? It looks like the developers on TRS aren't the same, it looks like people that came from CoD or Battlefield...

Directors AI isn't enough to call Left 4 Dead, we have Vermintide 2, which is a great ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game that I recommend to everyone, Vermintide 2 has Directors AI and it feels like Left 4 Dead with magic. There are classes there, and items, and RPG system, but it feels like Left 4 Dead because Vermintide 2 is fast-paced game play as well as Left 4 Dead.

Back 4 Blood is slow... We have to RUN to be fast, we can aim down sight, which makes our character slow... And if you are one of those idiots who says "DoN't UsE aIm DoWn SiGhT" you are ignorant, because implementing this kind of system means the accuracy while NOT aiming down sight isn't good as it should be. Basically the accuracy is reduced so aim down sight has a meaning.

The movement is slow, players jumping and falling are slow compared with Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2... There are coins that we collect, because it seems we can buy stuff on some market or something like that, I hope it's only cosmetics, but I doubt it because we are in 2020, and pay-to-win is a thing...

It seems weapons have quality/tier/rank/level of some sort, because I'm seeing starts on the weapon, some weapons with more stars than another... OMG.... THERE ARE STATS, we can choose stuff between maps to improve our character, or whatever. L4D is a game purely based on PLAYER'S SKILL, no stats on character.

This IS NOT Left 4 Dead. I bet my ass that the developers aren't the same. The studio can be the same, but the developers, people in there, aren't the same. I bet some kid from CoD and BF wants to "improve" the game play from Left 4 Dead creating those stats systems.

[MajDroid]

Probably the low FOV is the reason why it feels slow.
As for the ADS, oh come on and i think most people are ok with it. Yes Doom did not implement that but Doom is extremely fast game.
Even in Doom, you had a weapon with a mod that allows you to aim down sight.

[DooM]

it called back4blood for a reason dummy

[D.A.R.K.]

Originally posted by MajDroid:

Probably the low FOV is the reason why it feels slow.
As for the ADS, oh come on and i think most people are ok with it. Yes Doom did not implement that but Doom is extremely fast game.
Even in Doom, you had a weapon with a mod that allows you to aim down sight.

Do you think it's because of that? Ok... I watched a YouTube video for like 15 minutes and I'm gonna make you a list of why this game isn't Left 4 Dead.

01 - We have aim down sight.
02 - We have to press a button to run.
03 - We have stamina, so we can't run forever.
04 - We can choose a class in the beginning of each campaign.
05 - We can find money during the map to buy stuff like utility and scores in the safe house.
06 - We can build our character between each safe house with cards that improve stats.
07 - Weapons have level, or quality, which means different weapons are better.

Well, you can see that in Left 4 Dead, right? All of that is present in Left 4 Dead, right? Here... Watch this video. Besides Directors AI, this game is nothing like Left 4 Dead. In fact, if people want to call this game "Left 4 Dead 3" the should call "Left 4 Dead 4" because Vermintide 2 is more like Left 4 Dead 3 than this game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys9bVAa9J1Y

[D.A.R.K.]

Originally posted by Magnus:

it called back4blood for a reason dummy

The answer is for you as well.

[Azurite]

All these whiny people. Of course it's not left 4 dead!

[𝓢𝓲𝓵𝓵𝔂𝓕𝓸𝔁]

"Original IP" Yeah, sure.

[D.A.R.K.]

Oh... I'm watching more of that video, and it seems I have something more in this list. We have that "jump over" animation like in almost all CoDs and BFs, instead of just jumping over an obstacle, we have to do that special jumping. I don't remember the name.

[D.A.R.K.]

Originally posted by Amberlyn:

All these whiny people. Of course it's not left 4 dead!

What I'm saying is this game should be a Left 4 Dead 3, instead Vermintide 2 is more Left 4 Dead than this game. This game is more like a CoD or BF. It seems TRS had to get rid of the Left 4 Dead developers, and brought some teens from CoD to develop this game.

[Terranical]

Originally posted by D.A.R.K.:

Originally posted by Amberlyn:

All these whiny people. Of course it's not left 4 dead!

What I'm saying is this game should be a Left 4 Dead 3, instead Vermintide 2 is more Left 4 Dead than this game. This game is more like a CoD or BF. It seems TRS had to get rid of the Left 4 Dead developers, and brought some teens from CoD to develop this game.

All points you've said is basically what a Modern Left 4 Dead game would've been and that is that, Back 4 Blood. There is probably engine limitations back then for Left 4 Dead to not implement ADS and other things. Also, all points you've made is that you want this game to become exactly another L4D? That isn't it chief, this game is it's own, and they've just expressed themselves saying they were the original developers of the L4D franchise, that's just to excite the veterans, and newcomers.

[DELTA]

maybe its just me but i like most of the changes back for blood dose, feels like how i always tried to play left for dead, i slower pace with actual aiming rather than CS go run and gun.

One day someone will make a game thats like escape from tarkov but with walking dead head shot only zombies and i will have the perfect game.

[DELTA]

Originally posted by D.A.R.K.:

Originally posted by Amberlyn:

All these whiny people. Of course it's not left 4 dead!

What I'm saying is this game should be a Left 4 Dead 3, instead Vermintide 2 is more Left 4 Dead than this game. This game is more like a CoD or BF. It seems TRS had to get rid of the Left 4 Dead developers, and brought some teens from CoD to develop this game.

Realisticly what would left for dead 3 be, the same as l4d2 but on the new source engine, what would the devs want to do to change up the gameplay formula as keeping it the same would be lazy but at the same time l4d gameplay was kinda hard to improve on as they cant add things like ads or weapon customiation with out it changing things up

[D.A.R.K.]

Originally posted by Terranical:

Originally posted by D.A.R.K.:

What I'm saying is this game should be a Left 4 Dead 3, instead Vermintide 2 is more Left 4 Dead than this game. This game is more like a CoD or BF. It seems TRS had to get rid of the Left 4 Dead developers, and brought some teens from CoD to develop this game.

All points you've said is basically what a Modern Left 4 Dead game would've been and that is that, Back 4 Blood. There is probably engine limitations back then for Left 4 Dead to not implement ADS and other things. Also, all points you've made is that you want this game to become exactly another L4D? That isn't it chief, this game is it's own, and they've just expressed themselves saying they were the original developers of the L4D franchise, that's just to excite the veterans, and newcomers.

This doesn't excite veterans, only new comers who likes to play those slow-paced FPS.

ENGINE LIMITATIONS? Dude, 2008 and 2009 do you think there are limitations with aim down sight and all that crap from modern FPS games? No. They made Left 4 Dead to be a niche game, a fast-paced game, like Half-Life. Games from Activision and EA/Dice had aim down sight and all this BS from modern games already.

I don't want a morden FPS like any other BS that we already have, I want Left 4 Dead 3, and this isn't Left 4 Dead 3, this is another common simple and copy & paste modern FPS like CoD and Battlefield, but with Directors AI.

[Artifice]

Well given the title isn't Left for Dead you seemed to have brain to figure that part out. If you want to cry some more, cry but while you are crying, I'll be playing the game in June because it looks awesome.

[D.A.R.K.]

Originally posted by DELTA:

Originally posted by D.A.R.K.:

What I'm saying is this game should be a Left 4 Dead 3, instead Vermintide 2 is more Left 4 Dead than this game. This game is more like a CoD or BF. It seems TRS had to get rid of the Left 4 Dead developers, and brought some teens from CoD to develop this game.

Realisticly what would left for dead 3 be, the same as l4d2 but on the new source engine, what would the devs want to do to change up the gameplay formula as keeping it the same would be lazy but at the same time l4d gameplay was kinda hard to improve on as they cant add things like ads or weapon customiation with out it changing things up

That's the problem, the formula was great, and the way they could improove the same way as they did from Left 4 Dead to Left 4 Dead 2. We had maps with different pathways, we had new Special Infected, we had melee weapons... They didn't need to change the whole formula, and transform Left 4 Dead from a fast-paced game to a slow-paced game with a lot of micro systems like any other modern FPS game.

They could maintain the formula from Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2, and improve it with a lot of things... I'm saying this, I don't think people who worked on Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2 are the same from Back 4 Blood. The company is the same, the studio is the same, but I don't think the developers are the same.

[D.A.R.K.]

Originally posted by DangerRanger:

Well given the title isn't Left for Dead you seemed to have brain to figure that part out. If you want to cry some more, cry but while you are crying, I'll be playing the game in June because it looks awesome.

Good for you, I hope so, in less than 3 months the game will be as dead as Artifact, and I will be playing it 15 months after by getting for free like EVOLVE =)