Sleepers are the worst design decision in this game

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I tried this game a year ago when it was on Game-pass, after a year of absence decided to buy it on discount. I remember being attacked by some kind of land mine attached to a wall all the time, at the time I thought it was an experimental design idea that would eventually be removed, something like when everyone thought NFTs were the future and spent their life savings on downloadable jpeg images. I think they designed the Sleeper, just because it could be done, it's almost like canned air, I also remember there used to be a lot more active players; i'm not gonna put it down on the sleeper, but you know, these little annoying things eventually add up and sour what could of been the perfect cake. I really hope they remove it from the game.

[RNG_Wizard]

Sleepers would be fine if it weren't for the bugs, inconsistent hitboxes and occasional map elements making them difficult to see or hear.

Sometimes they don't play sounds for long periods of time, so unless you're Karlee you have no way to know if there's one right around the corner. Meanwhile, other sources of sound such as Birds, Snitches or unalerted Hags can make it difficult if not impossible to hear them. Because of this, you need to constantly assume there's one around every corner, even when there isn't. Not only is that cumbersome and tedious, but it's not always an option when you're under pressure.

On top of that though, their hitboxes once they attack feel pretty inconsistent and at times unfair. They hit through solid terrain especially if the terrain you use for cover is a map prop like a car or if you're in a tight space such as a hive, and they frequently hit even without having line of sight on their target or when obscured by what one would assume is ample cover, such as the prison bars found throughout Act 5. It feels like their hitbox is tiny for the purposes of navigating terrain, but massive when it comes to determining if they hit you or not.

If it weren't for all those bugs, they'd be great. As it is now, there are plenty of scenarios where you get slept even if it isn't your fault and in ways in which you don't have anything to learn from, which I can't say I'm a fan of.

[Wonder Box]

No the worst design decision in the history of video games is the great crystal in final fantasy 12.

[onewhofound]

Originally posted by ^9DSSDahaka:

Sleepers are not a problem, but they seem to be bugged lately, and they make 0 noise. Like completely silent. Around 60% of them are like that for me at all times. When they make noise like they are intended to I never get grabbed.

I have noticed that too, but can't figure out how to reproduce them being silent. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.

[Frogs™]

Originally posted by onewhofound:

Originally posted by ^9DSSDahaka:

Sleepers are not a problem, but they seem to be bugged lately, and they make 0 noise. Like completely silent. Around 60% of them are like that for me at all times. When they make noise like they are intended to I never get grabbed.

I have noticed that too, but can't figure out how to reproduce them being silent. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.

The trick is to be like Luke Skywalker and train without your sense's.

I play with my headphones off because
(a) If you trust the sounds in the game, you will die, because they are only there to give you a false sense of security
(b) Most of the audio in this game is Mouthbreathers and people whining/yelling at you.

So why bother? Just be a Jedi.

[Wonder Box]

Originally posted by Frogs™:

Originally posted by onewhofound:

I have noticed that too, but can't figure out how to reproduce them being silent. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.

The trick is to be like Luke Skywalker and train without your sense's.

I play with my headphones off because
(a) If you trust the sounds in the game, you will die, because they are only there to give you a false sense of security
(b) Most of the audio in this game is Mouthbreathers and people whining/yelling at you.

So why bother? Just be a Jedi.

I turned off music and voice chat to better hear enemies.

[Frogs™]

Na, it's all just there to control you (lol I am so hilarious),
Just throw on some tunes and jam out.
You will play better (after you get used to it).

Who wants to listen to groaning and bullet fire, with miss timed horde music and fake sleeper sounds for hours on end anyway? (and mouth breathers)

its a win/win all around.

[onewhofound]

Clearly you poor unfortunate souls have been playing with Crossplay on. Leave your sound on, otherwise you can't communicate with your fellow members of the PC Master Race during your runs.

[Frogs™]

Originally posted by onewhofound:

Clearly you poor unfortunate souls have been playing with Crossplay on. Leave your sound on, otherwise you can't communicate with your fellow members of the PC Master Race during your runs.

"communicate" is code word for "Do what I say, or else I call you bad"

The sound boycott applies to both.

[Olde]

I was just thinking sleepers are the worst ridden in the game. The big issue for me is how ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ loud they are when they pounce. If you play as Evangelo or have the Breakout card (I assume, never used it), they're a joke, though. The only part that really sucks about them is in the ridden hives they can be very difficult to see because their texture blends in with everything that's hive/flesh/blood textured, and also when they're put around corners where you have to inch yourself just to be able to get that perfect angle where you can kill them but not get caught.

Originally posted by WonderBox:

No the worst design decision in the history of video games is the great crystal in final fantasy 12.

The Great Crystal is awful, but getting all the ultimate weapons in the game's original North American release was a hundred times worse. It would take hours or even days of commitment, and there was zero way to do it without a guide. The Great Crystal has nothing on that.

[Frogs™]

Originally posted by Olde:

The big issue for me is how ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ loud they are when they pounce.

Play without sound. Be a Jedi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enKhkTmB0OQ

[Rotten]

Originally posted by Ragosta tin Dei:

I'd argue bear traps. Outside of just being hard to spot esp in dark maps, there's no way to assist the cleaner once their trapped, and now you gotta watch out for walls and floors.

it's hard to tell but when you get used to the metal creaking noise they make when you're close it becomes easier to spot. Cause you don't worry about looking until you hear the creaking noise it makes. you can turn up the sound options if you play on higher difficulty an d there's too much noise otherwise.

[Wonder Box]

Originally posted by Olde:

I was just thinking sleepers are the worst ridden in the game. The big issue for me is how ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ loud they are when they pounce. If you play as Evangelo or have the Breakout card (I assume, never used it), they're a joke, though. The only part that really sucks about them is in the ridden hives they can be very difficult to see because their texture blends in with everything that's hive/flesh/blood textured, and also when they're put around corners where you have to inch yourself just to be able to get that perfect angle where you can kill them but not get caught.

Originally posted by WonderBox:

No the worst design decision in the history of video games is the great crystal in final fantasy 12.

The Great Crystal is awful, but getting all the ultimate weapons in the game's original North American release was a hundred times worse. It would take hours or even days of commitment, and there was zero way to do it without a guide. The Great Crystal has nothing on that.

Well I only played an english patched international zodiac job system and didn't try getting every ultimate weapon, but this being ff12 I will take your word for it. I like the gambit system and the fact that you can go every on foot, but I really hated the game while navigating through the great crystal.

[lolsauce]

https://youtu.be/jXB0glpBPfQ