What is a good all around build

[Moominmamma]

I want a build with decent stamina,dps, and some cards to prevent friendly fire and overall help myself if I need to.

[tyke]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dan_The_Noob™:

Oprindeligt skrevet af IDRANKDRUGBLOOD:

but if you're still learning how the game works why are you telling other people how to play it?

Oprindeligt skrevet af IDRANKDRUGBLOOD:

You haven't even beaten nightmare even once.
You're on veteran and telling other people how the game works and telling them how to play the game.
Nightmare is where you'll actually learn the mechanics of the game and the powers and weaknesses of the designs of the enemy and get down to the fundamentals.

Oprindeligt skrevet af IDRANKDRUGBLOOD:

All the time you're going around telling other people they're wrong.

Arguing with people.

Telling other people how to play the game.

Oprindeligt skrevet af IDRANKDRUGBLOOD:

And you haven't even beaten nightmare even once - you don't know the game and you're always arguing with other people telling other people how to play a game that you haven't even played through the end game not even ONCE yet anytime look at the forums you're there arguing with people

you seem obsessed with the idea that i haven't cheesed nightmare and because i only play with randoms i don't "know the mechanics".
I can deal with whatever the game throws at me, except bad teammates.
you're the one saying melee is a viable option with minimal/no investment.

--edit--
let's just agree. an "all-rounder" build is fine, but not recommended.
there are a handful of cards that are good for most builds, regardless of focus.
(like hunker down)

talking about teammates and blaming teammates is toxic and scrub sentiment and should be jettisoned immediately. no one gits gud when everything is the fault of other players. you play well enough you win.

talking about "cheese", especially in a game like this? what do you think this is? an rts or something? what a scrub sentiment.

https://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

"because i only play with randoms i don't "know the mechanics".
lol what a deflection. i never said anything about you needing good teammates, that's you using that toxic excuse of blaming others for your own failures.
all of my friends quit this fundamentally flawed game in october soon after beating nightmare. I played on for weeks and have gone through nightmare like 10 times, and all of it was playing with bots and carrying dead players, very few players who could stay alive long.

"let's just agree. an "all-rounder" build is fine,
the main thing is being good at the game, and if you're good at the game you recognise what matters and vary it - unlike your very poor advice of taking health and damage resistance cards (jeez, the solution to getting hit is to try and mitigate the punishment of getting hit a bit?? No. The solution to getting hit is TO STOP GETTING HIT. What a sentiment from an appropriately named person/)
The game is mostly moving and killing, and so you want cards that help you move and kill, and killing with guns is good, killing with melee is good, melee is great defensive weapon that efficiently quickly both defends you from and deletes commons when you get into those make or break most desperate situations - so a bit of melee is really good, and a bit of melee is the most 'all-round' thing if there is an 'all-round' thing.
without melee you must lean harder into other survival techniques of moving away very quickly with extra-extra-move speed, regularly moving away quickly with extra stam regen, moving away greater distances with extra-extra stam etc.

melee balances it all out.
a bit of melee is the way to be versatile, to have that powerful defensive to fall back on, to compensate your some move speed, but not too much, your some stamina, but not too much, your some firepower, but not too much, your some accessory, but not too much.
melee-lite is what brings all this together and makes an actual all-round build.

[Dan_The_Noob]

Oprindeligt skrevet af IDRANKDRUGBLOOD:

talking about "cheese", especially in a game like this? what do you think this is? an rts or something? what a scrub sentiment.

there's strategy, like loosing the boat in cabins.
or baiting the ogre in tunnel while others wait in the saferoom ledge.
or placing all the shells by the cannon before starting the act 1 finale.

then there's "cheese" jumping out of bounds so you don't do a section.
dropping grenades to duplicate them to endlessly blow up anything remotely challenging.
taking all movement cards and hoping you make it solo.
jumping over the fence in quarantine so you don't have enemies for the first 2 minutes.

Oprindeligt skrevet af IDRANKDRUGBLOOD:

"because i only play with randoms i don't "know the mechanics".
lol what a deflection. i never said anything about you needing good teammates, that's you using that toxic excuse of blaming others for your own failures.

they literally kill me
kill themself
run off ahead
taking over a bot mid-fight, going down and leaving
or leave immediately because of the corruption cards we got...
it's literally them that is the problem in a game that requires at least a small amount of teamwork to succeed.

[tyke]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dan_The_Noob™:

Oprindeligt skrevet af IDRANKDRUGBLOOD:

talking about "cheese", especially in a game like this? what do you think this is? an rts or something? what a scrub sentiment.

there's strategy, like loosing the boat in cabins.
or baiting the ogre in tunnel while others wait in the saferoom ledge.
or placing all the shells by the cannon before starting the act 1 finale.

lol that's not strategy, that's just pointless trivial time-wasting bs lol. those parts of the game are so easy, just a tedious time-wasting for any of it, only really bad players would feel desire to do such instead of just get on with it and play the game.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dan_The_Noob™:

then there's "cheese" jumping out of bounds so you don't do a section.
dropping grenades to duplicate them to endlessly blow up anything remotely challenging.
taking all movement cards and hoping you make it solo.
jumping over the fence in quarantine so you don't have enemies for the first 2 minutes.

that would be exploiting a broken game. none of it will really help you because the problem is the likes of broken bird and t5, not road to hell or cabins lol. road to hell and cabins are 2 of the easiest maps in the game.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dan_The_Noob™:

Oprindeligt skrevet af IDRANKDRUGBLOOD:

"because i only play with randoms i don't "know the mechanics".
lol what a deflection. i never said anything about you needing good teammates, that's you using that toxic excuse of blaming others for your own failures.

they literally kill me
kill themself
run off ahead
taking over a bot mid-fight, going down and leaving
or leave immediately because of the corruption cards we got...
it's literally them that is the problem in a game that requires at least a small amount of teamwork to succeed.

good. more difficult circumstances make you better at the game and figure out what works and doesn't. blaming teammates is toxic scrub sentiment.

[Dan_The_Noob]

oh, can't see blocked peoples replies... ah well

[snail]

if you mean a deck so that you dont really have to rely on your teammates. try this
Copper Scavenger
Money Grubber
Medical Professional
EMT Bag
Hyper Focused


from there you can just take whatever specialty cards you want. doesnt really matter. these cards are so you are set in terms of money, healing and damage to specials. everything else is secondary.