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Reload speed cards increase your fire rate with pump-action and bolt-action weapons.
Reload, short-hand for Reloading a magazine, is a reloading of the magazine of a weapon, of removing a detachable magazine and inserting detachable magazine with rounds in it, or inserting new rounds into a Fixed Magazine. Just like in the game of the function of 'RELOAD', it's the thing you do when you press the R key.
Rate of fire is determined by the time it takes for rounds to be chambered inbetween being fired.
'Reloading' is reloading a magazine.
Cycling a bolt, or pulling a bolt, to chamber a round - and extract a case, is not Reloading.
The time it takes for the next round to be chambered is what determines the rate of fire of a firearm regardless of whether the Action is an Autoloading operation, Pump-Action, Bolt-Action etc, just like that we talk about Rate of Fire of actual bolt-action rifles. When we talk about the rate of fire of a bolt-action rifle we're discussing how fast a new round can be chambered. This depends upon the design of the bolt, how easy it is to operate, the training you give to the operators of your weapon, and various ergonomics, such as one of the things which gave the Lee Enfield Bolt Action such a HIGH RATE OF FIRE, is that if you are looking down the sights you can cycle the bolt without moving your head. With rival rifles of the period when you operated the bolt you have to move your head out of the way. With Lee Enfield you're looking down the sight all the time while you just squeeze trigger, operate bolt, squeeze trigger, operate bolt = HIGH RATE OF FIRE. Good ergonomics of the design of the bolt gives it a high rate of fire. British and Commonwealth soldiers with bolt-action rifles had higher Combat Power than American or Italian or German or Soviet soldiers with bolt-action rifles because of the high rate of fire of the Lee Enfield.
like you said:
which this is strange response as it's like you're retroactively trying to change what you said. You literally said:
No, that's wrong. Reload Speed cards don't just make you reload faster so that you return to shooting faster. Reload Speed Cards increase the rate of fire with bolt-action and pump-action weapons: Reload Speed Cards allow you to shoot faster, that's exactly what they do with bolt-action and pump-action weapons of allowing you to shoot faster; increasing the rate of fire.
But, in any case, regardless, OP's question is very simple of whether Reload Speed Cards increase rate of fire on bolt-action rifles in the same way the Reload Speed Cards increase the rate of fire on pump-action weapons?
This is not a hard question to answer, only takes 3 letters:
YES
Reload Speed Cards increase rate of fire with bolt-action and pump-action weapons.
There are weapons that you need to manually load the ammo into the barrel. If the bullet comes from your hand or from a magazine is irrelevant. Some weapons do it manually, like pistols and rifles in your majority, you set the magazine and the weapon automatically set the next ammo to be used after using the previous one, this is call be automatic.
There are weapons that you store your ammo in the magazine, but yet you must load your ammo into the barrel, like pump shotguns and some of the sniper rifles. By pumping the shotgun ♥♥♥♥ you are preparing the next pallet to be used, literally LOADING the ammo, if you do again, you are RELOADING. Snipers that you need to ♥♥♥♥ the thing on it's side that I don't remember the name, you are, literally loading the next ammo into the barrel to be used.
So... Weapons like the ones you put in the list you need to MANUALLY set each pallet/bullet in the barrel, you need to manually LOAD each pallet/bullet, means if you do more than once you are RELOADING those ammo there.
Faster you ♥♥♥♥ your next ammo, faster you can shoot it, but you aren't shooting faster, you are preparing the next ammo faster. That's why this doesn't work with automatic weapons, because you don't load manually, the weapon does that, which means faster you SHOT faster the next ammo will be prepared.
No, it doesn't, you aren't shooting faster. You can "kinda say" it is because your increase your DPS, but isn't the same. Reloading faster and shoot your next bullet faster is different.
In the game you can kinda say that, but isn't really that. The time it takes to the bullet leave the barrel is the same, the difference is how faster you ♥♥♥♥ the thing and make the next ammo ready to be used, this isn't the same as shooting faster.
¿wat?
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"load a bullet into the barrel"?
lol what?? the bullet is the projectile. A ROUND is cycled into the CHAMBER.
When the ROUND is fired, it fires the BULLET down the barrel.
you can talk about loading mechanisms, that's being pedantic, RELOAD is the R Key where you reload the magazine, or sure if talking about belgian break-action shotgun loading the shells into the barrel. rate of fire is the frequency the weapon fires rounds.
with a bolt-action firearm you cycle the bolt to chamber a ROUND. the BULLET is the projectile part of the round, you could say cycle the bolt to load a round into the barrel, but the barrel is multiple parts, the chamber is the part that it is loaded into.
If soldiers with bolt-action firearms are told to "RELOAD!" that's talking about reloading the magazines.
This isn't complicated, the reload speed cards increase the rate of fire of pump-action and bolt-action firearms. they make them shooter-faster they increase the rate of fire. you were wrong what are you doing lol??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rate_of_fire
Rate of fire is the frequency at which a specific weapon can fire or launch its projectiles. This can be influenced by several factors, including operator training level, mechanical limitations, ammunition availability, and weapon condition. In modern weaponry, it is usually measured in rounds per minute (RPM or round/min) or rounds per second (RPS or round/s).
There are three different measurements for the rate of fire: cyclic, sustained, and rapid. Cyclic is the maximum rate of fire given only mechanical function, not taking into account degradation of function due to heat, wear, or ammunition constraints. Sustained is the maximum efficient rate of fire given the time taken to load the weapon and keep it cool enough to operate. Finally, rapid is the maximum reasonable rate of fire in an emergency situation when the rate of fire need not be upheld for long periods.
For manually operated weapons such as bolt-action rifles or artillery pieces, the rate of fire is governed primarily by the training of the operator or crew, within some mechanical limitations. Rate of fire may also be affected by ergonomic factors. For rifles, ease-of-use features such as the design of the bolt or magazine release can affect the rate of fire.
Like everywhere that it talks about rate of fire here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolt_action
The bolt locking of a straight pull action is achieved differently without needing manual inputs, therefore the entire operating cycle needs the shooter to perform only two movements (pull back + push forward) instead of four (rotate up + pull back + push forward + rotate down), greatly increasing the gun's rate of fire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karabiner_98k
The rate of fire was limited by how quickly the bolt could be operated.
and so on.
no, you were wrong, and this just seems like you're trying to twist what you were saying and i probably shouldn't have typed 'you're wrong' so you didn't have to go through all this. the reload speed cards don't just increase reload speed. The Reload Speed Cards INCREASE RATE OF FIRE, and i've posted videos showing that the rate of fire is increased.
Some weapons do that automatically, some weapons we need to do that manually. Isn't because we attach a magazine into a weapon that we are loading the ammo in the barrel. For example: Action weapons, like snipers and shotgun, we can attach a magazine but we manually place the ammo into the barrel to be used. It's literally the same thing as holding the ammo in your hand, and, after shooting, put the ammo in the barrel.
Think about a sniper, you pull that thing that I don't remember the name to remove the capsule of the previous used ammo to open space to the next ammo, we can put manually, with our fingers, the ammo in that space and then push that thingy to prepare the ammo to be used. IF we have a magazine attach in this weapon, we pull the thingy to remove the capsule, and then we pull the thingy so the WEAPON can take an ammo from the magazine and prepare it in the barrel.
If you do understand that, you can understand that RELOADING SPEED isn't the same as FIRING SPEED. Reloading means we are PREPARING THE NEXT AMMO to be used. FIRING SPEED means the ammo will go faster from the barrel. FIRE RATE means everything that makes you shoot each bullet faster from the first to the last, but RELOADING makes your shoot the bullet fast between the LAST ammo and the FIRST ammo.
Automatic weapons, that does this automatically, once you pull the trigger, it fires the bullet, removes the capsule and load the barrel with the next bullet all in one action. Faster you fire, faster this happens.
OP asked:
"I know it increases shotguns' fire rate, does it work for snipers as well?"
The answer to this question is:
YES.
You:
WRONG.
Concerning the rest of this - because you were wrong about Back4Blood - but concerning what you're talking about here, much of this is just tedium and issue of language and terminology, but main thing you're getting at is just irrelevant. But we can do this convo anyway of super pedanticism for sake of it.
When people talk about a Loaded Weapon this can mean a weapon which doesn't have a round in the chamber. Loaded Firearm can mean that it has a magazine in it which has a round in it - not chambered! - not in the barrel! But it's still considered Loaded.
Also, of course yes when you cycle a round into the chamber you are loading the chamber, less so would you say loading the weapon as whether the weapon is looaded that's an issue of whether the weapon has ammunition in the magazine, but then you're trying to suggest this has some distinct meaning which is separate from rate of fire, which is the case in point and you're wrong as previously linked rate of fire bolt-action rifles is an issue of loading new rounds into the chamber whether you want to call that re-loading or not doesn't make a difference to what all of this convo is about.
As already said a gun is considered loaded if it has a loaded magazine. Furthermore, in real life when you're using weapons that have detachable magazines and you talk of reloading, you're talking about removing the detachable magazine and placing a new one in, which hopefully has rounds in it. You reload it, and then, depending on mechanism, you usually still need to chamber a round before firing. Imagine a firearm's instructor, they'll say to someone reload you weapon and then they'll say chamber a round
When you're using weapons that have fixed magazines and you talk about reloading then you're talking about loading rounds into the magazine, which mostly done with clips where the clip holds rounds on it so you can push all the rounds into the magazine and then throw the clip away. Again: You are considered to have reloaded the weapon by putting rounds in the magazine, and then, depending on mechanism, you usually operate the bolt to chamber a round. We can talk about loading weapons, loading chambers - none of it goes anywhere for you here.
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magazines aren't all detachable. Most bolt action rifles that were used had fixed magazines within the firearm, such as ww2 rifles, the magazine is in the firearm and you reload the firearm by putting rounds into the magazine. After you fire the weapon by squeezing the trigger you then cycle the oblt to chamber a round and fire again, and how quickly the design of the weapon allows this to be done, depending on bolt design, the distance it is rotated or pulled, the ergonomics etc, determines rate of fire, or, eloquently put, how fast the weapon shoots. sure, tbf, this is loading; a round is being loaded into the chamber.
Most automatic weapons you also have to operate the bolt to cycle a round into the chamber and they only do it automatically through firing a round; if the chamber is empty and you load a magazine it isn't automatically loaded into the chamber, you have to pull the bolt just the same as a bolt-action.
No it's not literally the same thing.
That's like saying bolt-action is literally the same thing as automatic fire cycling new rounds because you're manually squeezing the trigger.
.....kay
nope
right so here we come to the crux of this whole thing you're doing
.....firing....speed.........
firing speed hmm kay hold on sorry let me search that because this is what this whole convo comes down to and where you're trying to make an actual point
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Rate of fire - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Rate_of_fire
...yea... sorry.. yea no we're back rate of fire bro i'm sorry bro
For manually operated weapons such as bolt-action rifles or artillery pieces, the rate of fire is governed primarily by the training of the operator or crew, within some mechanical limitations. Rate of fire may also be affected by ergonomic factors. For rifles, ease-of-use features such as the design of the bolt or magazine release can affect the rate of fire.
yea no i'm sorry bro i duno how this keeps happening
....preparing.... the next ammo.... to be used.....
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....faster from the barrel.......
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you mean muzzle velocity?
this thread has nothing to do with muzzle velocity lol i don't even know if that's modelled in the game in any significant way
how did you from rate of fire to muzzle velocity???
velocity within the barrel - not from the barrel but inside the barrel - can be related to rate of fire, like with gas operation and how far forward the gas port is, but the bigger factors like the design of the bolt, the mass of the bolt and so on.
right. so... what you're saying here is that reload speed cards increase rate of fire with pump-action and bolt-action guns in b4b?
so you acknowledge that in these terms that you're talking about rounds being loaded into chambers that a self-loading firearm is also RELOADING after every time it fires just the same as a bolt-action or pump-action is reloading after everytime it fires.
And so when you talk about the rate of fire of an automatic weapon - like if we talk about the rate of fire of the ak47 in b4b - is that FIRING SPEED or RELOADING SPEED ???? (... oh lol wait you already said by "FIRING SPEED" you mean muzzle velocity lol... which isn't rate of fire). So to you Reloading Speed - which is the time it takes to cycle a new round into the chamber IS ITSELF RELOADING SPEED - i.e you say the RELOADING SPEED OF THE AK47 is around 600 rounds per minute? A hell of a reloading speed on the ak47 reloading speed 600 rounds per minute oh no wait that's what's called rate of fire.
I think what you're trying to say here is.....
Reload Speed Cards increase rate of fire for pump-action and bolt-action firearms?
oh no wait that's what OP asked and you said "NO."
For the record, I have now tried it out in-game with a deck full of reload cards and I really don't think there is a difference. Using Reload Drills, Widemouth Magwell, and Mag Coupler and a reload speed magazine did indeed make the reload between magazines much faster (kinda useful) but it did not increase the speed at which I fired bullets 'inside' any given magazine.
In other news, it would be nice if there was a way to try out deck builds in Fort Hope rather than just weapons/mods.
personally i don't use reload for snipers much, i stack reloads for shotguns.
if i'm using sniper then i'd rather have cocky for swap speed and even aim down sight too rather than reload speed, and usually use with two for one for two main weapons.
stacking reload speed on sniper does make it a lot better, especially 350l, but i'd rather be able to quickly swap, quickly aim, and have cards for movement, damage, and cards for my other main weapon.
with shotguns it's a must-have both for the reload speed and improvement and rate of fire, and 870 is such a good weapon because the reload speed normally is a pain loading all those shells, but it's so quicky with reload speed stacked, and then you're also getting big rate of fire with the good damage; it's like an aa12 but with more range and damage in exchange for a bit less rate of fire and far more ammo efficient.
and of course you get scattergun skills with shotgun for 40% reload speed. I usually get scattergun + widemouth magwell with shotgun, scattergun near start and widemouth later on as option about halfway, and i don't bother with reload drills or put at end of deck
Reloading, is ejecting your previous magazine, empty or partial, and inserting a full magazine where you then CHAMBER the round. On most pistols you pull back the slide to do so. On a revolver you'd ♥♥♥♥ the hammer back (you'd do this repeatedly if using a single action such as the SAA for example.)
On a pump shotgun, you pull back the fore-end and push it back forward to load the shell from the tube magazine into the chamber then repeat until the tube is empty. Its can also be called 'racking' to describe that familiar sound most people associate with a shotgun. Automatic shotguns do this. In order to reload a shotgun, you load each shell individually into a tube magazine. Then you rack the slide back and push it forward to put the live shell in the chamber. Note, that the action of sliding the pump back and forth is NOT called reloading. It has never been called reloading.
This is the same with bolt action rifles, I'll use the Mosin Nagant as an example, as to load/reload a mosin you must first pull the bolt back and then insert your five bullets into the magazine from the top down as the magazine isn't detachable (Unless you've modified it for whatever reason). That is the act of RELOADING that type of bolt action. When you use a bolt action. You cycle the rounds, by pulling the bolt back to eject the spent cartridge and prep the new one so that once you move the bolt back into the closed position the new cartridge is chambered and ready to fire.
The action of a live round, moving from the magazine to the chamber is generally called chambering a round. This can change depending on who you ask but it is never listed as RELOADING, at least not officially. Ask anyone in the military. Ask a police officer, ask an instructor at a firing range. Ask someone trained. Ask the game devs who define reloading by its actual use. Do not ask whoever told you "Putting a magazine in the gun isn't loading/reloading"
Cause that person, needs classes, stat.
RELOADING is set the ammo inside the barrel, ♥♥♥♥ is preparing the hammer to hit the primer. Reloading has NOTHING to do with magazine, you see that in TV movies and games, and it's one of the hundreds of things that they get wrong. RELOADING ISN'T REATTACH A MAGAZINE INTO THE WEAPON.
Just look for it:
"Handloading, or reloading, is the process of making firearm cartridges and by assembling the individual components (case, primer, propellant, and projectile), rather than purchasing mass-assembled, factory-loaded ammunition. ... Reloading refers more specifically to handloading using previously fired cases and shells."
Loading and reloading means add the ammunition into the barrel. Cocking means prepare the hammer to hit the primer. Magazine and reloading HAS NOTHING IN COMMON, this is a mistake that TV movies and video game does, which makes people believe it's true. The same with suppressors, the same with bullet and gun sounds, the same with muzzle flash.
Pay attention and learn:
You have a revolver, right? You open the drum and you put the ammo there, YOU ARE NOT RELOADING, you LOAD the revolver when you spin the drum and put the ammo in front of the barrel, then you ♥♥♥♥ the weapon by pulling the hammer.
THIS make it faster to shoot because when pressing the trigger you won't need to wait for the hammer to go back and then forth you just need to the hammer to go forth because you already manually ♥♥♥♥ the weapon.
Same with sniper rifles. When you put the magazine inside the bolt-action sniper rifle YOU ARE NOT RELOADING, you reload when you pull the thingy. Pulling the thingy removes the previously used ammo case, now you can manually put the ammo in that open area, OR let the weapon do it for you by getting form the magazine. When you push the thingy you are COKING the bolt-action sniper rifle, making it ready to use.
Attaching a magazine into the weapon IS NOT what loading/reloading is, please, just do a little research. The magazine is just a easy way to have more ammo to use. Pump shotgun, you can pull the thingy on the bottom of the shotgun and put the ammo there manually, or you can put the max amount right away, OR you can have a magazine with the shells there so you don't have to hold in your hand.
One more time... ATTACHING A MAGAZINE INTO A WEAPON IS NOT THE DEFINITION OF LOADING THE WEAPON
Aye, and google is on my side here.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/reloading
"to put more bullets in a gun:
to reload a gun/rifle/pistol
He reloaded and fired a second shot."
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/reload
"reload (ri:ˈləʊd)
vb
1. (tr) to place (cargo, goods, etc) back on (a ship, lorry, etc)
2. (Firearms, Gunnery, Ordnance & Artillery) to put ammunition into (a firearm) after having discharged it
3. (Computer Science) computing to fetch the latest updated version of (a web page or document); refresh"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reload
Definition of reload
transitive + intransitive
: to load again: such as
a: to put a charge or load into a weapon again
reloaded a pistol
… most competitive shooters reload their own ammunition.
— Craig Vaughn
This firearm will continuously load, fire, eject, reload, and fire again …
— William R. Dietrick
b: to load or be loaded into a computer's memory or storage again
recorded the time the computer's operating system took to reload
The files are stored locally, so that whenever you access a Web site that you have accessed previously, the browser doesn't have to reload the entire page; it simply reads it from the cache.
— Terrance A. Rooney
c: to put a renewed supply of funds or resources into an account
However, the new tickets can not be reloaded with credit like a standard smartcard.
— Benedict Brook
There are a ton of other websites here I can list, and I can and will quote every single one of them if I have to. You should also google the definition of what a 'Tactical reload' is, which is where the magazine instead of being dropped to the floor (Considered an emergency reload) the magazine is instead taken out in hand and put away to be used again later as you then reload the weapon by attaching the new magazine in its place.
Also consider the fact that out of all of us here, you're the only one who apparently doesn't even know the names of what is being done or used and instead refer to them as thingy
It is not my job to teach you, nor am I going to make it my job to do so. Once again, go to a class and learn. It'll do you some good, and you'll look far less silly. Good luck to you.