Opinion: Veteran is not that difficult

[SpacePiratePanda]

I currently have beat the entire campaign of veteran multiple times with randoms. Many times I found that matches are smooth as butter when teammates are actively communicating or have good knowledge of game mechanics.

The excess of mutant spawns is annoying but manageable to a point. Many times there will be obviously at least 3 tallboys/crushers on top of some other specials but if you have a team that understands their priorities then the game is significantly easier (team positioning is huge here). I am usually a support so I prioritize watching everybody's backs so that they we are not ambushed by any specials or the one stray ridden that will chip 10 health from my teammate because it decided that it wanted to spawn randomly some where in the back.

The hardest thing that is contributing to the difficulty curve is teammates lack of communication and knowledge and when RNG spawning gets out of control such as more than 5 mutants spawning on top of a excessively large horde with a boss.

Veteran is a good challenge right now and is not that difficult as everybody says. It really just comes to getting better at the game by good communication and role understanding while also having good luck. Also having a solid deck so start with recruit so you can get those points.

Remember, this is a team oriented game where everybody actually has to be a team for once. Do not horde items, do not run ahead of the team, drop ammo that you are not using, ping enemies for teammates and stop tunnel visioning and have your team hold out in key strategic points. and just for the love of god communicate with your team. (Not with an open mic, thank you)

This is just my opinion but it would be wonderful to read how others view this games difficulty.

[ToucanSafari]

Veteran is 100% manageable when people understand the mechanics of each map, which are unfortunately inconsistent often times. Hell, you can even solo Act 4 extremely easily with all bots.

[Moffin Bovin]

Originally posted by No_Title:

Veteran is 100% manageable when people understand the mechanics of each map, which are unfortunately inconsistent often times. Hell, you can even solo Act 4 extremely easily with all bots.

when i play with bots, specials just melt. Im not sure if the game reduces enemy hp with less players, or if It's that the bots have god aim and never miss. But when i play with players the specials are bullet sponges that take a month to kill.

[SpacePiratePanda]

Originally posted by No_Title:

Veteran is 100% manageable when people understand the mechanics of each map, which are unfortunately inconsistent often times. Hell, you can even solo Act 4 extremely easily with all bots.

The most important thing in this game is positioning. Like in L4D or any horde game, if you are able to funnel enemies into one choke point and not leave yourself out in the open to get surrounding. The difficulty of veteran goes down enormously.

[Rozpierdalacz]

beat couple levels on nightmare, and after that if you will come back to veteran it will feel like recruit.

[Yuck Fourself]

I agree. The biggest threat in veteran, by far, is other teammates. They scare the birds, I tell them to give ground, they decide that is the time to push. Like, WTF?

[Inuakurei]

For the hundereth time, the problem isn't that people think Vet is "hard". Its just super cheap sometimes, and that is worse than being "hard".

[sate]

great, another one of those "I beat it so it's not that hard" posts
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everything is fixed thank you for saving the day

[Eudicots]

Veteran is the best difficulty in the game right now. Has the perfect balance of being both challenging and fun. Those that complain about this mode are expecting to clear through everything with their first attempt without understanding the games mechanics. This does not mean there are isn't any issues with the Ai director across all difficulties, but that this mode is passable. We can see the that percentage of players beating Acts on Veteran have been steadily increasing.

[PVT.Blueberry]

as long as you have an op health re-gen melee build guy the mode is a joke. if not veteran is exceptionally hard to deal with.

[CyFiver]

See posts like these are finally coming out. Like day one I was one of the bunch sitting here telling everyone that you need to relax, give it some time. Let people get into the game, figure things out.

Give it time and people will be enjoying the difficulties they don't quite grasp just yet. I even said as time goes on you will start to see even NM become easier for the above average joe team.

There still is around 0.2% in both NM completion of A1 and 54,000 ridden killed on this platforms collected data alone. That in itself explains a good chunk for the person with half a noodle in context to amount of time played and personal experiences seen in the game to learn from.

[CyFiver]

Originally posted by PVT.Blueberry:

as long as you have an op health re-gen melee build guy the mode is a joke. if not veteran is exceptionally hard to deal with.

No, you can go full Medic, Scav or any like build and still get through with Random's today. Practice a bit, learn from your mistakes or ask some questions here and actually be constructive about the feedback.

There is always something happening that isn't correct if you are getting demolished on Vet with anything other then a Melee build after the first few maps when it gets more meaty. Communication is key and this includes during the Buying Phase.

[PVT.Blueberry]

Originally posted by CyFiver:

Originally posted by PVT.Blueberry:

as long as you have an op health re-gen melee build guy the mode is a joke. if not veteran is exceptionally hard to deal with.

No, you can go full Medic, Scav or any like build and still get through with Random's today. Practice a bit, learn from your mistakes or ask some questions here and actually be constructive about the feedback.

There is always something happening that isn't correct if you are getting demolished on Vet with anything other then a Melee build after the first few maps when it gets more meaty. Communication is key and this includes during the Buying Phase.

ive been trying to make a functioning Damage Assault rifle build to take on specials and yet to make one for public matches. You have to be some kind of heath hp regen healing for the team in publics which is boring. cant even try dps builds

[DAWN OF THE DEAD]

Veteran feels difficult because of spike from how forgiving is recruit. Game is design for multi runs, after you know what to do in each maps and some strats vs specials it shouldn't be as hard. Of course RNG can be harsh and ridden including specials can spawn behind and you have only one continue so game can feel very unfair and punishing

[CyFiver]

I have decks for campaign for each difficulty to start in this format:

Recruit-Melee
Vet-Melee
NM-Melee

and it plays out for each weapon/spec type I like.

-> Melee/Sniper
-> Melee/Shotty
-> Sniper /w Mag
-> Shotgun /w DE usually
-> Assault Rifles
-> Medic
-> LMG's

Still need my Explosives and Firebug setup but in time.

While not all have three difficulty builds just yet [LMG/Medic are lacking still] each difficulty free's up extra cards or requires another depending on what I am doing. When I join a Random Game and it's Vet or Nm before I even select a Cleaner I ask or wait to see what others play too.

Anyway, my AR build depending will have True Grit for HP Regen. That is honestly all I have needed. This goes into Vet just fine also. Short of seeing game play it is hard to assume anything. I personally find that I when I do get tickled by something it is more then not a Common Zombie and Grit often proc's off of it in Vet+

You will have to understand too that you can usually tell how your team is within the first half a map. A team that is lacking in quick aim, awareness of alarms and in general spacial awareness of their surroundings can lead to any build you create having issues as you get pummeled over and over while you are still stuck with a Grey Weapon and no Extended clip or whatnot. Which is why that Melee build appeals so much to you.

Things like Hunker Down would work as you will be using Down in Front! anyway if there is a melee or just automatically in most public matches. I use those both on Vet+ with the AR build. It helps with things like Spitter damage too if you are slow on the draw to kill it.

My fav AR based on most use is probably the M4 for jack-of-all trades. But that Ranch Rifle is growing on me thanks to the M1A and the multi-shot precision it gives.

[LikaFox]

This game is rather easy regardless. The problem is 90% of the players are complete morons. And for some reason people who have never played before or just started decide they can go into vet because they thought the first mission of Recruit was sooo easy, and they wipe on the 3rd mission because they have 0 common sense. You are either better off having only bots or having 4 competent players. Randoms are almost always mornons and a waste of time. If you take damage at all first mission, I leave. Regardless.