Stuka zu fuss armed with a cannon looks ridiculous and I bet it never existed.
Also the "panther-stellung" was just a panther turret and not an entire dug in tank, it might have only happened when a tank got disabled or scavenged for spare parts.
Anyway...it's still Division level of historical research so i'm expecting many errors and awful models and markings invented on the go.

Like the panther turrets for defense. But...

Eugen needs to increase the victory conditions in 1 v 1 for breakthrough. Even when you set the game at the longest duration, the game ends too soon. It typically ends about the time you reach the halfway point of the map. Also please give back the version of Tsel in breakthrough for skirmish in 1 v 1 like it was during the beta.

En effet, très étonnant de ne pas avoir de troupes estoniennes avec la 11 SS. Cela aurait pu donner une infanterie mixte Pz Gr/normale, avec armes soviétiques, une première pour les divisions de Pz Gr

Nebelwerfer launchers were actually installed on the SdKfzs, and the Panther turrets in Berlin 1945 were not the same things the Nordland used. I kinda do not see why Stuka zu Fuss is regarded as ahistorical if there are many photos of Wehrmacht IFVs with the rocket launchers attached on both sides.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/07/cd/48/07cd48f3d4dec1e868740595af0ddf18.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-216-0417-09%2C_Russland%2C_schwerer_Wurfrahmen_an_Sch%C3%BCtzenpanzer.jpg

Автор сообщения: ShaxStar

However, there are a few inaccuracies with this post. Having read up on the 8 month long battle of Narva, you’d find that the “Nordland” group, actually was outfitted with a lot more tanks including a number of Panzer IV’s, and Tiger I’d from the 502nd heavy battalion which included the famous tank ace Otto Carius.

Автор сообщения: Tiger im Schlamm

AFTER-ACTION REPORT ON THE EMPLOYMENT OF THE 502ND
HEAVY PANZER BATTALION IN THE 16TH ARMY SECTOR FROM
JULY 4 TO AUGUST 17 1944
Diinaburg area of operations from 4 to 27 July 1944

By early July the 502nd had long left the Narva front and was fighting in the Daugavpils area. After this it didnt return to Narva either but left for Memel/Courland. Otto Carius himself got wounded on 24th July and didnt return to frontline duty for several months. So neither him nor his Unit were anywhere near the Tannenberg line at the time this DLC is set.

Its funny how you accuse Eugen of historical inaccuracy and mixing up units and places when in fact thats what you are doing.

Автор сообщения: RakkoHug~<3

Oh my, this expansion sounds more and more promising after each and every single update. :)

Really looking forward to it! :)

Thank you very much

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Автор сообщения: ShaxStar

What is your point? Lots of tanks were dug in and used as static emplacements. I think his point is that this DLC is lacking and kinda a weak cash grab. It’s missing historical accuracy and not really doing the history itself any justice

My point is that I have two of them, actually.

1) It's kinda funny to listen generalised phrases like "Oh, they are Waffen-SS and they are elite, so how can they use MG-26?" given that many German divisions used French, Czech and other foreign weapons due to the lack of sufficient German production. Nordland was by no means elite, especially given that it never received its fully-equipped Panzer-Regiment, so it had to use a smaller SS-Panzer-Abteilung 11. And it is not to mention that it was Scandinavian only by name, composed mostly of Reichsdeutsche and Volksdeutsche, just like the majority of other "Volunteer" divisions by 1944.

2) The point about the insufficient stocks of equipment leads us to point 2 - Nordland did use around 20 Panthers with the broken engines, which were inherited after the I./Panzer-Regiment 29. left the Army Group Centre in late 1943. That's why those Panthers are employed as fortified guns. So these Panther-Stellung units with dug in hulls in our case of August 1944 are sort of Nodland's exclusive feature.

But you trolling was quite decent, I must admit, I even replied to it with all seriousness.

Автор сообщения: ShaxStar

However, there are a few inaccuracies with this post. Having read up on the 8 month long battle of Narva, you’d find that the “Nordland” group, actually was outfitted with a lot more tanks including a number of Panzer IV’s, and Tiger I’d from the 502nd heavy battalion which included the famous tank ace Otto Carius.

Also the MG.20 was not in use here, these SS troops were outfitted with mostly modern equipment. Whilst tank hunters were short in supply, anti-tank guns were not, especially around the heavily defended bunker areas to the south which were held by the Danes.

There were also a hefty number of German marine soldiers involved in the fighter.

I’m not sure if this inaccuracy is done to maintain balancing? But it’s incorrect nonetheless. Would be wiser to include it as a separate DLC as you’ve grouped several division into one

There are a few inaccuracies with this post.

#1 - Nordland & Tiger.
We are modeling "Nordland" during the battle of Tannenberg Line, and as always we are giving any division its organic units, and then only adding extra-divisional attachments only if we see fit for gameplay purpose:
* Nordland never had Tiger of its own.
* before 1945, Nordland had ONE Panzer IV. I think we have it included as Befehl tank.
* Nordland doesn't need Tiger, having Panthers which already set it appart from other PzGr. divisions.
* s.Panzer-Abt. 502 wasn't in Estonia or anywhere near Narva by the time of the Tannenberg Line. As for Carrius, he had been wounded just prior to the timeframe featured in this DLC, hence why we've finally chosen ... well, I'm getting ahead of things, that's for latter.

#2 - SS & Überwaffen
"SS troops were outfitted with mostly modern equipment" is a myth debunked quite a few decades over, and usually only colported by nostalgic of the SS-Übermenschen.
Only four SS divisions had a privileged status and access to better equipment, and those were the "old guard": 1. "LSSAH", 2. "Das Reich", 3. "Totenkopf" from 1943 after the battle of Kharkov, and the "young guard" 12. "Hitlerjugend" in 1944.
The rest of SS divisions were equiped with rags, leftovers, Beute, ... you name it, but certainly not the best the Reich could provide. Even when it got to recruits, they were filled with Volksdeutsche because the Wehrmacht had first pick on the best recruits.
As for "Nordland", by June 1944 it had only 50% of the PaK it was supposed to have, about 75% of artillery guns, and while it was supposed to have 959 MG, it only had 743, out of which 537 were Beute. Without having more details about the origins of those Beute, we've assumed, since many SS divisions were first equipped with Czech. leftovers, that those were MG-26(t). They could be cpatured Polish BAR, French FM 24/29 or Soviet DP, but in game terms, it doesn't change things much.

#3 - German Marines
Where and when were "a hefty number" of German marines involved?
We're talking about Doppelkopf or Tannenberg Line in 1944, not Memel in 1945 right?

Автор сообщения: 6thALRct. Hauggy

Stuka zu fuss armed with a cannon looks ridiculous and I bet it never existed.

And yet, they existed, and are mentionned in several memoirs about this division:
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=243096

Автор сообщения: 6thALRct. Hauggy

Also the "panther-stellung" was just a panther turret and not an entire dug in tank, it might have only happened when a tank got disabled or scavenged for spare parts.

No, a Panther turret set in concrete would have been a "Panzerstellung (...) Panther (or Panzer V". Just like we will have several Panzerstellung (R-35, S-35, ...) for Verteidingunsbereich Toulon.

In Nordland's case, those Panthers were worn out, and the division's workshop was working its ass to return them to combat condition, but they could never have them all running alltogether: whil usually half a dozen were combat ready and used in counter-attacks, the others which couldn't be made mobile were dug-in ...

Coop AG please

I love when pseudo historians bring out their laundry list of historical inaccuracies and are wrong on most of them.

Still kinda confused, in Estonia this battle is seen as a tragic thing where Estonians had to fight other Estonians but it seems here the Estonians are only on the soviet side?

So this was a very rare thing indeed.
Seems a bit dangerous to me to fire a cannon next to a bunch of rockets.
Anyway thanks for sharing.

Автор сообщения: Afrikano

Still kinda confused, in Estonia this battle is seen as a tragic thing where Estonians had to fight other Estonians but it seems here the Estonians are only on the soviet side?

Yes, ingame we only feature one Estonian division, one of the Soviet ones.
The SS ones were deprived of any armor, and wouldn't have bring anything new compared to a German division.

Автор сообщения: 6thALRct. Hauggy

So this was a very rare thing indeed.

Indeed, there must have been other battlefield modifications of SdKfz. 251 with Wurfrahmen racks, but Nordland seems to be the sole one to have based it on the 251/9 and apply the change to a whole Zug.

Автор сообщения: EUG MadMat

as always we are giving any division its organic units, and then only adding extra-divisional attachments only if we see fit for gameplay purpose:

"reads, rolls eyes, for the 10th time points to notable list of Soviet divisions lacking organic units and/or having fantasy equipment"