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Benzo-Kazooie Mar 17, 2024 @ 12:38am
MP44 vs MP40 Fire Rate
Looking at the Brandenb. Fuhrer infantry squad in Kessel, the TWO mp40s have a fire rate of 384/rpm vs the FOUR MP-44s 375/rpm....that makes zero sense given the mp-44 fired at 600/rpm vs the mp40s 550/rpm in real life. The MP-44 is also 5% less accurate?

I get certain weapons not being 100% realistic for balance reasons but to make the fire rate and accuracy of an assault rifle WORSE than an irl slower firing smg isn't adding up.
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Shortpower Mar 17, 2024 @ 4:31am 
Originally posted by Benzo-Kazooie:
Looking at the Brandenb. Fuhrer infantry squad in Kessel, the TWO mp40s have a fire rate of 384/rpm vs the FOUR MP-44s 375/rpm....that makes zero sense given the mp-44 fired at 600/rpm vs the mp40s 550/rpm in real life. The MP-44 is also 5% less accurate?

I get certain weapons not being 100% realistic for balance reasons but to make the fire rate and accuracy of an assault rifle WORSE than an irl slower firing smg isn't adding up.
It's a balancing mechanism due to accuracy vs range mechanics.

Since they have 300m of range at 100m they have significant bonuses to accuracy. An extreme example is consider your AT guns hit rate at 1500m vs 500m.
300m to 100m is going to be +100% accuracy from my understanding, at the absolute minimum it's +50%
Last edited by Shortpower; Mar 17, 2024 @ 4:35am
Benzo-Kazooie Mar 18, 2024 @ 11:08pm 
Originally posted by Shortpower:
Originally posted by Benzo-Kazooie:
Looking at the Brandenb. Fuhrer infantry squad in Kessel, the TWO mp40s have a fire rate of 384/rpm vs the FOUR MP-44s 375/rpm....that makes zero sense given the mp-44 fired at 600/rpm vs the mp40s 550/rpm in real life. The MP-44 is also 5% less accurate?

I get certain weapons not being 100% realistic for balance reasons but to make the fire rate and accuracy of an assault rifle WORSE than an irl slower firing smg isn't adding up.
It's a balancing mechanism due to accuracy vs range mechanics.

Since they have 300m of range at 100m they have significant bonuses to accuracy. An extreme example is consider your AT guns hit rate at 1500m vs 500m.
300m to 100m is going to be +100% accuracy from my understanding, at the absolute minimum it's +50%
The M1 carbine has 300m range and 60% accuracy though.

Let alone the fire rate issue. MP-44 squads are supposed to be a solid cqc unit yet the rifle is nerfed below their line unit smg?
Shortpower Mar 19, 2024 @ 12:08am 
Originally posted by Benzo-Kazooie:
Originally posted by Shortpower:
It's a balancing mechanism due to accuracy vs range mechanics.

Since they have 300m of range at 100m they have significant bonuses to accuracy. An extreme example is consider your AT guns hit rate at 1500m vs 500m.
300m to 100m is going to be +100% accuracy from my understanding, at the absolute minimum it's +50%
The M1 carbine has 300m range and 60% accuracy though.

Let alone the fire rate issue. MP-44 squads are supposed to be a solid cqc unit yet the rifle is nerfed below their line unit smg?
10 PPSH vs 10 MP-44's dense forest resulted in the dedicated CQC unit (Avtos) winning several times with 5-7 models left for the Avtos.

In light forest a dozen tests where the PPSH's had to close they lost all 10 models without taking a single model off the 10 and 9 man MP-44 squads in skijager.

MP-44s are strong enough to terrorize line infantry in dense forest, and CQC infantry trying to do anything but hold a dense forest.

As for M1 Carbines, they literally have half the damage, 2/3 the fire rate, and half the suppression values. https://imgur.com/a/Ef5BLMd
Last edited by Shortpower; Mar 19, 2024 @ 12:20am
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Date Posted: Mar 17, 2024 @ 12:38am
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